On May 13, 2007, at 05:45, Harry Sack wrote:> If I encode 192 kHz sound @ 24 bit for some days (WAV file) and I > encode it to FLAC, I think you can have a very big file and 1.5 TB > is reached very quickly. > And in the future audio will even get bigger, when used for HD-DVD > en Blu-ray media and 5.1 channels is considered the 'minimum' > setting for surround sound.Don't forget that the WAV file is going to stop recording at the 4GB mark (2GB if the recording software is not carefully written). You would need to record directly to FLAC if you want more than 4GB of audio, and you'll need an operating system which can handle files larger than that. The FLAC library allows developers to create recording software which saves audio data directly to FLAC files without going first to another, more limited format. You may think that 1.5 TB is reach very quickly, but in practice there are not any programs which can support this. As Jud pointed out, changing from stereo to 5.1 surround has no effect, because the only limitation of FLAC is the number of samples, and this does not decrease when more channels are used. WAVE and AIFF, however, are limited to 4GB total, so more channels or more bits always means fewer samples, and thus shorter duration recordings. Brian W.
2007/5/14, Brian Willoughby <brianw@sounds.wa.com>:> > On May 13, 2007, at 05:45, Harry Sack wrote: > > If I encode 192 kHz sound @ 24 bit for some days (WAV file) and I > > encode it to FLAC, I think you can have a very big file and 1.5 TB > > is reached very quickly. > > And in the future audio will even get bigger, when used for HD-DVD > > en Blu-ray media and 5.1 channels is considered the 'minimum' > > setting for surround sound. > > Don't forget that the WAV file is going to stop recording at the 4GB > mark (2GB if the recording software is not carefully written). You > would need to record directly to FLAC if you want more than 4GB of > audio, and you'll need an operating system which can handle files > larger than that.any modern *NIX OS can do this :) A 4 GB file is not a weird thing: I save blu-ray images on my HDD which are +/- 50 GB in filesize :) The FLAC library allows developers to create> recording software which saves audio data directly to FLAC files > without going first to another, more limited format. You may think > that 1.5 TB is reach very quickly, but in practice there are not any > programs which can support this.you can write of course your own simple program to do this. It's not because an existing program doesn't support it, it's impossible. And of course in the near future programs will be able to work with files as big as 1 TB and even bigger. And that was exactly the thing I was talking about :) As Jud pointed out, changing from stereo to 5.1 surround has no> effect, because the only limitation of FLAC is the number of samples, > and this does not decrease when more channels are used. WAVE and > AIFF, however, are limited to 4GB total, so more channels or more > bits always means fewer samples, and thus shorter duration recordings. > > Brian W. > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac/attachments/20070514/bd420bb6/attachment.html
On May 14, 2007, at 11:27, Harry Sack wrote:> 2007/5/14, Brian Willoughby <brianw@sounds.wa.com>: > On May 13, 2007, at 05:45, Harry Sack wrote: > > If I encode 192 kHz sound @ 24 bit for some days (WAV file) and I > > encode it to FLAC, I think you can have a very big file and 1.5 TB > > is reached very quickly. > > And in the future audio will even get bigger, when used for HD-DVD > > en Blu-ray media and 5.1 channels is considered the 'minimum' > > setting for surround sound. > > Don't forget that the WAV file is going to stop recording at the 4GB > mark (2GB if the recording software is not carefully written). You > would need to record directly to FLAC if you want more than 4GB of > audio, and you'll need an operating system which can handle files > larger than that. > > any modern *NIX OS can do this :) > A 4 GB file is not a weird thing: I save blu-ray images on my HDD > which are +/- 50 GB in filesize :)Sure, but they're not WAV. WAV is limited to 4GB everywhere. I was merely pointing out the detail that you can't encode to WAV and then encode to FLAC because WAV is more limited in duration.> The FLAC library allows developers to create > recording software which saves audio data directly to FLAC files > without going first to another, more limited format. You may think > that 1.5 TB is reach very quickly, but in practice there are not any > programs which can support this. > > you can write of course your own simple program to do this. It's > not because an existing program doesn't support it, it's > impossible. And of course in the near future programs will be able > to work with files as big as 1 TB and even bigger. And that was > exactly the thing I was talking about :)Sorry, my wording was bad. Change "can" to "currently" i.e. in practice there are not any programs which currently support this. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac/attachments/20070514/a5200ddc/attachment.htm