On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:> >> It's purely a developer's distro. > > Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than > > development and testing? > Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a free clone of > RHEL for any purpose other than development and testing?Right... he's not "lying", he just has a different audience. Red Hat has definitely never ever said in any official way that CentOS Linux is acceptable for production uses. And that's not going to change with CentOS Stream. You should see people's heads spin around like a scene from a horror movie when I suggest that people actually do run Fedora operating systems in production! -- Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader
Am 18.12.20 um 19:14 schrieb Matthew Miller:> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >>>> It's purely a developer's distro. >>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than >>> development and testing? >> Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a free clone of >> RHEL for any purpose other than development and testing? > > Right... he's not "lying", he just has a different audience. > > Red Hat has definitely never ever said in any official way that CentOS Linux > is acceptable for production uses. And that's not going to change with > CentOS Stream. > > You should see people's heads spin around like a scene from a horror movie > when I suggest that people actually do run Fedora operating systems in > production!In the different threads here in the list - I noticed that everyone (not all in quantity) has a different definition of production and development "classification". For instance RH: Their devel license talks about not to use it for production. I am still unsure where the border for that are? Running a workstation and "producing" output that have value for me is a production system. As also a fly radar HA cluster running 24/7 is a production system. Anyway, lets see what Q1 2021 will bring ... -- Leon
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >>>> It's purely a developer's distro. >>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than >>> development and testing? >> Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a free clone of >> RHEL for any purpose other than development and testing? > > Right... he's not "lying", he just has a different audience. > > Red Hat has definitely never ever said in any official way that CentOS Linux > is acceptable for production uses.OT: when will I learn to just shut up after arriving at my own decision? (rhetoric question) It doesn?t matter whether RedHat said anything or not. We did use CentOS as ?binary replica? of RedHat Enterprise (I for one for over decade and a half), and did have same level of stability as RedHat Enterprise customers had [almost?].Which confirmed the second word in the abbreviated name of the system (Community Enterprise OS). But now there is nothing [in my book] to justify that ?Enterprise" word in the name.> And that's not going to change with > CentOS Stream. > > You should see people's heads spin around like a scene from a horror movie > when I suggest that people actually do run Fedora operating systems in > production!Indeed, that is why many of us who originally switched to Fedora (Hm, when free RedHat ceased to exist somewhere near RedHat 8, do people still remember these CD/DVD sets?). And shortly after, from Fedora to CentOS. And no, ?development? precursor of RedHat Enterprise which Fedora was is no match to ?binary replica? of RedHat Enterprise. And it looks - for not too insightful person: myself - that now it will be CentOS a ?development? precursor of RedHat Enterprise (taking place of Fedora, and potentially same production usability as Fedora has). And again, I will be happy for everyone who bravely keeps using CentOS (Stream) in production if my feelings are gravely wrong. But I myself ?chickened out?. Servers: over 6 years ago (to FreeBSD, and there no surprises with FreeBSD; but apologies for annoying mentioning of the great UNIX successor on this list). And once again, Thanks a lot for great work, CentOS team! We were enjoying excellent fruits of your work, I - for about decade and a half. And good luck to you in future, I know your work will be same great, it is just humble us who are unhappy about future arrangement. Valeri> > -- > Matthew Miller > <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> > Fedora Project Leader > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 19.12.2020 01:14, Matthew Miller wrote:> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOSwrote:>>>> It's purely a developer's distro. >>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than >>> development and testing? >> Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a free clone of >> RHEL for any purpose other than development and testing? > > Right... he's not "lying", he just has a different audience.An audience from another reality, I assume. Which makes me curious, why Chris Wright doesn't say a word on the subject after the announce of CentOS imminent shutdown? I would admire to read his words of "now that we decided to shut down CentOS Linux..."> Red Hat has definitely never ever said in any official way that CentOSLinux> is acceptable for production uses. And that's not going to change with > CentOS Stream.(sigh) CentOS was and still is used successfully on production servers all over the globe. Those are facts. Whatever Red Hat thinks or advises doesn't change the facts. They would never recommended a *free* clone of RHEL for production use, even if it would be 100 times more stable.> You should see people's heads spin around like a scene from a horror movie > when I suggest that people actually do run Fedora operating systems in > production!I was using Fedora on production servers, so what? Finally, I choose to use on production something that requires less attention on yearly basis. So Fedora moved on to development systems, and CentOS/other distributions with long support are now on production ones. If people are happy with Fedora on production, that's strange to me, but why I should object? -- Sincerely, Konstantin Boyandin system administrator (ProWide Labs Ltd. - IPHost Network Monitor)