Phelps, Matthew
2020-Dec-09 16:05 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:59 AM mark <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote:> Oh, that's right, it's 2020, the dumpster fire of a year. > > On 12/9/20 4:40 AM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: > > > > On 09/12/2020 09:26, centos at niob.at wrote: > >> On 09/12/2020 07:16, Kingsly John wrote: > >>> > >>> A non-paying CentOS user is not a real loss for RHEL. But people > dumping > >>> CentOS for a non-RHEL clone is definitely going to impact their future > >>> revenues as they are losing mindshare/goodwill/easy migration etc. > <snip>> > >> I am seeing this in practice already with juniors - they all use > >> Ubuntu on their personal systems and they hate having to deal with > >> RHEL. And their opinions matter in the long run. > >> > > And exactly the same applies to senior (or retired) admins on their home > > computers. My main home machine runs about a dozen testbed VMs, > > DHCP/DNS for the home network, Amanda, NFS and Samba for other machines, > > ownCloud, Apache, Zotero and DokuWiki for the family. I want a stable > > server under that lot, not a beta release. > > > Retired sr. Linux admin here also, also running CentOS at home. Moved to > 7 this past summer (really dislike sstemd, hung onto 6 as long as > possible). > > What I find outright offensive is that I see someone posted the specs > for the Board... and #2 was "community outreach". > > Can someone point me to a post, ONE SINGLE POST, before this > announcement, saying that this was being considered? That this might > possibly happen? > > Show me that this was not just presented to the community as a fait > accompli, non-negotiable. > > mark > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >Hear! HEAR! NOBODY asked. -- *Matt Phelps* *Information Technology Specialist, Systems Administrator* (Computation Facility, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory) Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian 60 Garden Street | MS 39 | Cambridge, MA 02138 email: mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu cfa.harvard.edu | Facebook <http://cfa.harvard.edu/facebook> | Twitter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/twitter> | YouTube <http://cfa.harvard.edu/youtube> | Newsletter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/newsletter>
Neil Thompson
2020-Dec-09 16:15 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 18:06, Phelps, Matthew <mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:> > > Hear! HEAR! > > NOBODY asked. > > >OK. We get it. We all get it loud and clear. You're pissed off. There's two things you can do about that - 1) accept reality and start making plans to deal with it, or 2) continue to whine and lash out at people who are probably feeling worse about the situation than you are, in which case I have to question whether you actually have the maturity to be able to administer a single machine, let alone any kind of IT facility. Cheers! (Relax, have a homebrew)