CentOS - Jul 2008 - Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora 10?

Hi All,

The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to be
buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
(and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with it
for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(

My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's upstream
is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.

I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if I
want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.

Regards,

Ranbir
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Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
Linux 2.6.22.14-72.fc6 i686 GNU/Linux 
10:30:46 up 20 days, 11:40, 1 user, load average: 0.77, 0.79, 0.72

Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
It will be based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.

nate

Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
> buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
> (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with
it
> for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(
>
> My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
> CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's
upstream
> is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
> hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.
>
> I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if
I
> want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ranbir
>   
Not likely. Fedora Core is a different branch than CentOS, and it has a 
lot of different stuff (ideas, software, etc) which CentOS doesn't have. 
CentOS is mainly based on the Red Hat Enterprise branch.

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Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
> buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
> (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with
it
> for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(
Agree, that's why I use Fedora 8 on my workstations. As current as not
to bleed out.
> My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
> CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's
upstream
> is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
> hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.
I hope Redhat doesn't base it on Fedora 9, too much radical technology
for it to fit nicely with the current corporate setup.

Some of that technology needs to be more widely adopted first with the
bleeding edge distros for at least 2 more releases.
> I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if
I
> want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.
Try Fedora 8, I know it doesn't have much life in it for updates, but
it is the most solid Fedora out there right now, and it still is
getting updates until Christmas.

I personnally could be very happy for a while with RHEL/CentOS based
on Fedora 8 and wait until KDE 4 and the new init fully bake first.

-Ross

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on 7-30-2008 7:36 AM Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu spake the
following:
> Hi All,
> 
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
> buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
> (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with
it
> for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(
> 
> My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
> CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's
upstream
> is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
> hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.
> 
> I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if
I
> want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ranbir
Very hard to tell until upstream sets a freezepoint. It is usually based on 
whatever Fedora is current at that time. So it is probably a tossup between 9 
and 10 looking at the projected date of release.
I doubt that RedHat would release a real buggy enterprise version because they 
have to support it. But then in my opinion all Fedoras have been buggy in some 
way, usually because of the settling time for all the new stuff that gets 
dropped in.

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You hope everybody uses it, and
you notice quickly if they don't!!!!

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Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
> buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
> (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with
it
> for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(
> 
> My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
> CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's
upstream
> is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
> hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.
> 
> I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if
I
> want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.
> 
It should have been based on fedora9, however that did not happen.  I 
heard that it should be based on fedora11, though 12 will be the next 
release that is a "3rd" (rh9/fc1 was el3, fc3 was for el4, fc6 was for
el5 ... so f9 should have been el6)

So my best guess would be f11 or f12.  I would think Mar-Jun 2009 would 
be the release, which is also around the f11 dates ... but it could be 
based on f10.

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On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 14:42 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> It should have been based on fedora9, however that did not happen.  I 
> heard that it should be based on fedora11, though 12 will be the next 
> release that is a "3rd" (rh9/fc1 was el3, fc3 was for el4, fc6
was for
> el5 ... so f9 should have been el6)
> 
> So my best guess would be f11 or f12.  I would think Mar-Jun 2009 would 
> be the release, which is also around the f11 dates ... but it could be 
> based on f10.
Thanks for the in-depth reply.  It's looking more like I will be using
CentOS as my main desktop for work and home. :)

Ranbir

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Linux 2.6.22.14-72.fc6 i686 GNU/Linux 
16:47:03 up 20 days, 17:56, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.42, 0.72

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
> buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
> (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with
it
> for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(
>
> My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
> CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's
upstream
> is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
> hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.
>
> I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if
I
> want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.
If you want something new, why do you think when CentOS 6 comes out it 
will be new ? And for how long ?

Either you stick with Fedora/Ubuntu and have something new, or you just 
want to _use_ your computer and go with something less new like 
CentOS/Ubuntu LTS. There is no middle path.

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I have always wanted a distro in-between long term support and cutting edge.

Say one that uses the kernel/command line part of a long term distro and the gui
and gui apps of a cutting edge distro (maybe 1 back from the cutting edge).

An kernel upgrade cycle of say 3 years, but a GUI that stays current within
it's release.

-Ross



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Sent: Wed Jul 30 18:22:36 2008
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Will CentOS 6's upstream be based on Fedora  10?

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> The subject says it all.  I'm asking because I've found Fedora 9 to
be
> buggy as hell - it is one of the worst Fedora releases I've ever used
> (and I've been using it since Fedora Core 1).  I'm putting up with
it
> for my work laptop, but it's not fun. :(
>
> My main home machine is still on Fedora Core 6 and will stay there until
> CentOS 6 comes out.  I don't want to use CentOS 5 because it's
upstream
> is based on Fedora Core 6, and I want something new!  When CentOS 6
> hits, I will be using it for my work laptop.
>
> I might just keep Fedora for home my machine. I haven't decided yet if
I
> want to move up to Fedora 10 or CentOS 6.
If you want something new, why do you think when CentOS 6 comes out it 
will be new ? And for how long ?

Either you stick with Fedora/Ubuntu and have something new, or you just 
want to _use_ your computer and go with something less new like 
CentOS/Ubuntu LTS. There is no middle path.

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Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
>
> I have always wanted a distro in-between long term support and cutting edge
I think Debian's testing branch aims to be this sort of thing,
I haven't had a need to run testing in years myself. Stable is
good enough for me

http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/

[..]That means that things should not break as badly as in unstable or
experimental distributions, because packages are allowed to enter this
distribution only after a certain period of time has passed, and when they
don't have any release-critical bugs filed against them.

Please note that security updates for testing distribution are not managed
by the security team. Hence, testing does not get security updates in a
timely manner.

--
If your not upgrading on a very frequent basis I don't think you'd
have too many problems. Back when I did run testing for a brief time
(about 2001-2002 time frame) I upgraded maybe once every month or two,
and never had a problem.

If your system(s) operate in a fairly secure environment, security
updates may not be as critical.

There is often a time of brief instability in the testing branch after
a stable release comes out when they re-sync with some of the latest
packages. During this time it's probably best to stick with the stable
branch, and "switch" back to testing after a good 2-3 months for
maximum stability. If your apt configuration is pointed at the distribution
name(e.g. "lenny") instead of the state (e.g. "testing") you
automatically
get upgraded to the next stable release when it comes out(and stay on
stable until you explicitly reconfigure apt to point to the next testing
version).

nate
(still working on upgrading RHEL 3 and older RHEL 4 to CentOS 4.6)