[Wine] Is there a difference ...?

Jake Thomas
Mon, 02 May 2011 18:45:57 -0000

Doh123, how is running a program off an NTFS partition asking for trouble?
Ntfsprogs seems to handle it just fine. I know that NTFS doesn't let you
mark a file as executable, and that the filesystem is susceptible to
fragmentation, but you should just be able to tell it to run rather than display
and be good. It shouldn't cause destruction. I think there might even be an
NTFS defrag tool for Linux, I'd have to check.

On May 1, 2011, at 1:50 PM, wine-users-request at winehq.org wrote:

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>   4. Re:  two worlds (James McKenzie)
>   5.   Re: GSP Family Tree fails at startup missing DLL? (vitamin)
>   6.   Re: GSP Family Tree fails at startup missing DLL? (vitamin)
>   7.  Re: Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not visible
>      (doh123)
>   8.   Re: Is there a difference...? [question] (DIFTOW)
>   9.   Re: Is there a difference...? [question] (doh123)
>  10. Re:  Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not visible
>      (James McKenzie)
>  11.   Changing the windows file target properties? (M408)
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>  13. Re:  Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not visible
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:01:40 -0700
> From: James McKenzie <jjmckenzie51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] GSP Family Tree fails at startup missing DLL?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <4DBD91F4.2010704 at gmail.com>
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> On 4/26/11 6:14 PM, vitamin wrote:
>> jl wrote:
>>> james at james-laptop:~$ wine start
'c:/Family/family.exe'&>  /tmp/famlog.txt
>> This won't work. "start" program sans a separate process.
You have to do something like this:
>>
>> Code:
>>
>> wine 'c:\Family\family.exe'&>  /tmp/famlog.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> Also note back-slashes instead of forward slashes. MS for whatever
reason decided to be different.
>>
> Also, error messages go to the STDERR queue.  I use:
>
> [code]
>
> cd .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Family
> wine family.exe & > /tmp/famlog.txt 2>&1
>
> [/code]
>
> Catches all of the output....
>
> BTW, most fixme's can be safely ignored.
>
> James McKenzie
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> James McKenzie
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:04:04 -0500
> From: "dj--alex" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: two worlds
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304269444.m2f.60286 at forum.winehq.org>
>
> im waiting about year for
> normal playing in two worlds II
>
> i think better forgot about game, or wait  a Nvidia Geforce 990 GTX or
e.t.c
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:03:49 -0700
> From: James McKenzie <jjmckenzie51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Alsa: underrun occured
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
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> On 4/26/11 11:15 AM, jordan wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>>> The fact is Ubuntu switched to PulseAudio starting with 8.04 and is
>>> providing Alsa/OSS compatibility ever since.
>>> So Alsa is probably not Canonical's main center of interest.
>> erm.... Alsa is always going to be of main concern of ANY distribution
>> of Linux.  PA doesn't replace ALSA, it just runs on top of it.
>> ALSA talks directly to hardware(@ thekernel level)... Applications
>> talk to PA(if using pulseaudio), then PA talks to ALSA. PA is just a
>> sound server, and resides in user-space. PA, Jack, etc aren't
>> replacements for ALSA - they work with ALSA.
> Wine does not directly support PA nor should it.  Adding a compatibility
> layer just slows things down (witness DirectX -> OpenGL in Wine.)
>
> Wine should not support PA, but support either ALSA or OSS (and OSS is
> NOT dead.)
>
> James McKenzie
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:06:06 -0700
> From: James McKenzie <jjmckenzie51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] two worlds
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <4DBD92FE.7090503 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> On 5/1/11 10:04 AM, dj--alex wrote:
>> im waiting about year for
>> normal playing in two worlds II
>>
>> i think better forgot about game, or wait  a Nvidia Geforce 990 GTX or
e.t.c
>>
> If you have coding skills, you can always assist and try to make Wine's
> code better...
>
> James McKenzie
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:13:32 -0500
> From: "vitamin" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: GSP Family Tree fails at startup missing DLL?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304270012.m2f.60289 at forum.winehq.org>
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> James would you read what he posted? Your command is bogus.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:15:36 -0500
> From: "vitamin" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: GSP Family Tree fails at startup missing DLL?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304270136.m2f.60290 at forum.winehq.org>
>
> James, Just in case you didn?t get what I'm talking about:
"&>" (no space) is NOT the same as "& >" (with
space).
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:57:07 -0500
> From: "doh123" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine] Re: Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not
>    visible
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304272627.m2f.60291 at forum.winehq.org>
>
>
> viktorias wrote:
>> Great news! I have updated today to Ubuntu 11.04 and I also updated
wine and I reinstalled the ATI driver and the people appeared on the game!
>> Tiny baby little hick up that the water is looking a bit weird, and if
I set the water quality higher then the game crashes.
>
>
> On Mac OS X... updating to 1.3.19 now just causes it to crash on start up
for me... going back to 1.3.18 it starts but has the invis people problem... the
crash is new with 1.3.19 for me, and happens using the Radeon or the Intel...
back on 1.3.18 it still works perfectly on the Intel.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 13:35:35 -0500
> From: "DIFTOW" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Is there a difference...? [question]
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304274935.m2f.60292 at forum.winehq.org>
>
>
> vitamin wrote:
>>
>> DIFTOW wrote:
>>> Is there a difference in performance, if the application is
installed with Wine instead of on Windows 7? Does it perform better on Linux, or
is it the same?
>>
>> That depends on what performance you are talking about here. From your
last posts its seems you talking about D3D performance.
>>
>> The answer is yes, there is a huge difference in D3D performance
between Wine and Windows. By definition Wine would be at best 50% slower then
native. In most cases it's 75%+ slower on modern games.
>
>
> I know this of course. I knew I was going to confuse everyone about what I
meant cause it is just one of those things that is not easy to explain.
>
> I meant, I have steam installed on Windows 7, on a separate partition.
> Then in Ubuntu, I run Wine, and load the exe. So I'm booting the
already installed program.
>
> Well, I tried installing Steam using Wine, to see if it improves
performance versus just executing an exe that is installed on Windows 7.
>
> But I found out that it actually makes no difference at all. So there seems
to be little to no need to install programs with Wine. All it appears to do,
over just simply executing an existing EXE, is create 'icons' and a
listing of the program in Ubuntu.
>
> Maybe it might better integrate it with the UI, but that is a big maybe.
>
> So I sort of answered my own question by trying both ways out.
>
> But to move on to a different focus. Would a Mac version of Half-Life 2
emulate better on Linux since it uses OpenGL?
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 14:04:51 -0500
> From: "doh123" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Is there a difference...? [question]
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304276691.m2f.60293 at forum.winehq.org>
>
>
> DIFTOW wrote:
>>
>> I meant, I have steam installed on Windows 7, on a separate partition.
>> Then in Ubuntu, I run Wine, and load the exe. So I'm booting the
already installed program.
>>
>
> your just asking for a world of hurt running programs off a NTFS partition.
If its working... you are lucky... but I'm not sure why you'd want to do
that.
>
>
> DIFTOW wrote:
>>
>> But I found out that it actually makes no difference at all. So there
seems to be little to no need to install programs with Wine. All it appears to
do, over just simply executing an existing EXE, is create 'icons' and a
listing of the program in Ubuntu.
>
> just because in your very limited tests that you have not noticed a
difference, doesn't mean there is no difference.  It also doesn't mean
that because it works for 1 program that it will work for others.  There are
many programs that won't work at all if they are not installed in Wine.
>
>
> DIFTOW wrote:
>>
>> But to move on to a different focus. Would a Mac version of Half-Life 2
emulate better on Linux since it uses OpenGL?
>
> how would you do that? The Mac version is native OSX quartz... opengl or
not, you'd have to port it all to X11.  i don't know of any program that
can emulate or run that on Linux.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:15:21 -0700
> From: James McKenzie <jjmckenzie51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not
>    visible
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <4DBDB149.8050503 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 5/1/11 10:57 AM, doh123 wrote:
>> viktorias wrote:
>>> Great news! I have updated today to Ubuntu 11.04 and I also updated
wine and I reinstalled the ATI driver and the people appeared on the game!
>>> Tiny baby little hick up that the water is looking a bit weird, and
if I set the water quality higher then the game crashes.
>>
>> On Mac OS X... updating to 1.3.19 now just causes it to crash on start
up for me... going back to 1.3.18 it starts but has the invis people problem...
the crash is new with 1.3.19 for me, and happens using the Radeon or the
Intel... back on 1.3.18 it still works perfectly on the Intel.
>>
> I think that I remember you were using MacPorts version of Wine.
>
> I'll look at 1.3.19 built using a different script.
>
> James McKenzie
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 14:35:25 -0500
> From: "M408" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Changing the windows file target properties?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304278525.m2f.60295 at forum.winehq.org>
>
> Hi, in order to complete an installation, I need to change the
"target" property as you would see in windows. I tried opening
explorer.exe and changing it through there, but there is no option to. Is there
any way I can change this? To start playing WarcraftII, I have to open multiple
files from different directories at once. Since I can't edit the target
properties through wine or ubuntu, I don't know how to do this? Thanks for
the help.
>
> Code:
> ?/home/mike/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Program Files/DOSBox-0.74?
>
>
> Code:
> ?/home/mike/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Program Files/WarcraftII/war2.exe? -conf
?/home
>
>
> Code:
> /mike/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Program Files/WarcraftII/DOSBox 0.74 Options?
-exit -fullscreen"
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 15:31:57 -0500
> From: "doh123" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine] Re: Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not
>    visible
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304281917.m2f.60296 at forum.winehq.org>
>
>
> jjmckenzie wrote:
>> think that I remember you were using MacPorts version of Wine.
>>
>> I'll look at 1.3.19 built using a different script.
>>
>> James McKenzie
>
>
> Tried 1.3.19 built from source in Wineskin, as well as just trying it
manually from source and command line... haven't tried macports yet, its
still listed as 1.3.18.
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 13:49:37 -0700
> From: James McKenzie <jjmckenzie51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Tropico 3 Demo Graphics Problem - People are not
>    visible
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <4DBDC761.6000200 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> On 5/1/11 1:31 PM, doh123 wrote:
>> jjmckenzie wrote:
>>>  think that I remember you were using MacPorts version of Wine.
>>>
>>> I'll look at 1.3.19 built using a different script.
>>>
>>> James McKenzie
>>
>> Tried 1.3.19 built from source in Wineskin, as well as just trying it
manually from source and command line... haven't tried macports yet, its
still listed as 1.3.18.
>>
> Did it work or crash?
>
> I have 1.3.19 build from a script as well as from a customized Fink script.
>
> James McKenzie
>
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