[Wine] Is there a difference ...?

Jake Thomas
Tue, 03 May 2011 18:22:29 -0000

Wow! Thanks for the very informative response! So that CAN cause destruction
(NTFS and Linux and WINE). Wow. Signing up for this mail subscription was a good
idea. Looks like I'll learn a lot.

Cheers,
Jake

On May 3, 2011, at 3:18 AM, wine-users-request at winehq.org wrote:

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>   3.   Re: Noob-Having trouble getting programs to run (doh123)
>   4.   WARCRAFT 3 (yuskhanzab)
>   5.   Re: Is there a difference ...? (oiaohm)
>   6.   How to backup iPod files to Macbook (Cortimer09)
>   7.   Re: Ragnarok private server (yuskhanzab)
>   8.  Switching to 16-bit colour depth (from 24) - is it possible?
>      (Wintershade)
>   9.   Re: steam games not working (natostanco)
>  10.   Error in wine registry (pieterparker17)
>  11.   Re: Error in wine registry (oiaohm)
>  12.   Re: Error in wine registry (pieterparker17)
>  13.  Re: Switching to 16-bit colour depth (from 24) - is it
>      possible? (oiaohm)
>  14.   Can't see list of winetricks! (CrayonKing)
>  15.   Re: Can't see list of winetricks! (CrayonKing)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:32:09 -0500
> From: "oiaohm" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Caution when deleting .wine ...
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304389929.m2f.60355 at forum.winehq.org>
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> topher.becca  Owner ship of files and ownership of machine are two
different things.  Owner ship of files is a filesystem feature.
>
> Sudo is a Linux/Unix/Posix command to run as root/administrator user.
>
> Even under OS X its possible to run wine as the wrong user on the machine
leading to permission stuff up.  Since I am not a OS X user I cannot really tell
you how to fix it.  Since I don't know what will get to the the right user
to correct an error like this.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 19:43:00 -0700
> From: James McKenzie <jjmckenzie51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wine] Caution when deleting .wine ...
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <4DBF6BB4.9090807 at gmail.com>
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> On 5/2/11 2:35 PM, topher.becca wrote:
>> jjmckenzie wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:16 AM, topher.becca<wineforum-user at
winehq.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I entered 'rm -rf ~/.wine' it says:
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Inbox
Toolbar: Permission denied
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/Program Files:
Directory not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/All
Users/Start Menu/Programs/Inbox Toolbar: Permission denied
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/All
Users/Start Menu/Programs: Directory not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/All
Users/Start Menu: Directory not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/All
Users: Directory not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles:
Directory not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c/windows: Directory
not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine/drive_c: Directory not empty
>>>> rm: /Users/christopherwelch/.wine: Directory not empty
>>>>
>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>
>>> This means that your user does not 'own' the files.  Did
you by chance
>>> run Wine as root or through sudo?  The Wine FAQ has instructions on
>>> how to fix file permissions.  It appears that you are using a Mac,
and
>>> I highly recommend switching $HOME and then running sudo rm -rf
.wine.
>>> NEVER RUN WINE AS SUDO unless recommended and then you will have to
>>> fix file permissions before running Wine again as your user.
>>>
>>> Location of file permissions fix:
>>>
>>>
http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-8b89c928ce782c014b8b312469223296093e1484
>>>
>>> James McKenzie
>>
>> Actually, I'm the owner of the whole computer, so I should own all
the files.
> No, you don't and you should not.  I know of at least three directories
> on a Mac that this is not true.  However, if you put the file in your
> home directory you should own the file.
>>  Also, what is SUDO? I'm not sure as to what that is exactly.
> Open terminal and type in man sudo.  More information than you really need.
>
> The point is:  How did you install Wine?
>
>> I am using a Mac, but could you walk me through? Whenever I remove
Wine, and then reinstall it, I can go to the File Manager, click Shell, and go
to the trash that has the icon of a trash can, and it still shows everything I
have deleted, and I want to remove that.
> This function may or may not work in Wine.  I will have to look at this
> and given my current time schedule it will be this weekend at the
> earliest.  However, there are other Wine on Mac folks that may be able
> to provide guidance on how to get those files out of the Trash in File
> Manager.  This is NOT the Trash for the Mac area.
>
> James McKenzie
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:50:49 -0500
> From: "doh123" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Noob-Having trouble getting programs to run
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304391049.m2f.60357 at forum.winehq.org>
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> according to the AppDB, I'm not sure anyones gotten it to work yet.
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> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12391
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 22:50:45 -0500
> From: "yuskhanzab" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  WARCRAFT 3
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304394645.m2f.60358 at forum.winehq.org>
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> mouse problem after i update wine to ver 1.3.19. i cant control the mouse
and click left mouse properly in warcraft 3. some one have to fix this..
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 23:30:03 -0500
> From: "oiaohm" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Is there a difference ...?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304397003.m2f.60359 at forum.winehq.org>
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>> Doh123, how is running a program off an NTFS partition asking for
trouble? Ntfsprogs seems to handle it just fine. I know that NTFS doesn't
let you mark a file as executable, and that the filesystem is susceptible to
fragmentation, but you should just be able to tell it to run rather than display
and be good. It shouldn't cause destruction. I think there might even be an
NTFS defrag tool for Linux, I'd have to check.
>>
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> Really NTFS is fairly good on fragmentation resistance as long as drive
remains under 90 percent full.  And shake defrag will work okish on it.  I have
had to use shake defrag from Linux on a ntfs drive that was that badly
fragmented that windows defrag tools would not even attempt.
>
> But executable bit is not the only file system part Ntfsprogs is missing.
There is a serous difference in mmap handling compared to ext2 ext3 or ext4 from
the ntfs3g driver.  These differences do cause failures in applications when on
ntfs with wine that don't happen when on ext2 ext3 or ext4.  So for us doing
support we want tested on ext filesystems so we know if the issue you are seeing
is ntfs3g issue or wine with every file-system.
>
> ntfsprogs still lacks a 100 percent working fsck to fix up in case of power
loss or other case of lose of operation.  So after power loss booting into
windows can be required to restore access to the ntfs drive.  Ok what cause a
power loss like event.  Wine finding a video card driver defect so crashing the
kernel.   So not a wise combination.
>
> Ntfs3g what you have to use for writing support also has a high cpu load
than using a native ext3/4 as a loop back on ntfs3g.  (Yes I know that is wrong
but its the way the numbers work out).   Really running loop back on top of
another file-system should work out slower but this is one of these odd cases.
>
> Using NTFS is also not good to keep the separation between windows
installed executable and wine installed executable.  This can turn into major
problems for wine and windows.   Windows loading up an application installed by
wine can completely destroy windows at times.  Yes we don't like getting
into trouble for destroying copies of windows.  Also applications installed in
windows and copied to wine can also have issues due to missing register entries
and other things.
>
> Next issue is fools.  Who here that wine works on NTFS so points the wine c
drive to there windows c drive then wonder why next boot of windows nothing
works.
>
> And the most annoying of all(we have this with Linux  a little).  Is that
wine place holder executable get detected and deleted by lots of Commercial
anti-virus software  so causing malfunctions you will not otherwise see.  There
are particular commercial anti-viruses that run under Linux that should not be
used with wine as well.    But there are options under the commerical
anti-viruses for Linux to exude wine directories from being scanned by them and
to use something like clamav to cover the areas that are touchy.   Not so simple
in a Windows environment to have particular directories monitored and scanned by
different anti-virus products.   So this leads to major problems due to a lack
of flexibility on the windows side.   Secuirty you don't want to leave
directories unmonitored.
>
> Simply for all sanity.  Its better to act like wine does not work on NTFS
at all.  That way anyone running it on NTFS is doing so at there own risk can
cannot be recommend it as working so we don't get more complaints from the
issues that will crop up in time.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 23:46:05 -0500
> From: "Cortimer09" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  How to backup iPod files to Macbook
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304397965.m2f.60360 at forum.winehq.org>
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> This article introduces a useful iPod tool called ipod to Mac Transfer
(http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/ipod-to-mac-transfer-imacsoft.html).
>
> Part 1: What can iMacsoft iPod to Mac Transfer Do?
>
> <1>Rip, copy and manage iPod music, videos, photos, podcasts and TV
Shows between iPod/iPhone and Mac.
> <2>Transfer files from iPod to Mac, iPhone to Mac.
> <3>Edit and delete iPod/iPhone playlists.
> <4>Copy files among multiple iPods. Transfer iPod to iPod on Mac.
> <5>Transfer iPod music, videos, photos to iPhone.
>
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> Part 2: How to use iPod to Mac Transfer?
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>
> Step 0: Free download iPod to Mac Transfer
(http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/download/ipod-transfer/m-ipod-to-mac-transfer.dmg),
install and run it.
> All information about your iPod, such as type, capacity, version, serial
number, and format, will be shown on the main interface.
>
> [Image: http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/images/guide/mac-1.jpg ]
>
> Step 1: Transfer movies to iPod
> Open the library/playlist that you want to transfer.
> Click the "Add files to iPod" or "Add Folder to iPod"
button.
>
> [Image: http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/images/guide/mac-2.jpg ]
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> Step 2: Locate the required audio files on the pop-up dialogbox and click
"Open" button to import selected files to your iPod.
>
> [Image: http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/images/guide/mac-3.jpg ]
>
> Step 3: Edit iPod Playlist
> To those who want to create their own personalized iPod Playlist, you can
try this function.
> Choose the "File -> Playlist" option to create a new list ,
and then choose the "New Playlist" option from the submenu.
> Drag & drop to import or export files need and drag it to the local, or
you can choose the file from the local and drag it to the iPod.
>
>
> More:
> If you are Windows user, you can use AVCWare iPod to iTunes/PC Transfer
(http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/ipod-transfer-avcware.html) or Aiseesoft iPod
Transfer  (http://www.macdvdrippersoft.com/ipod-transfer-aiseesoft.html)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 03:23:41 -0500
> From: "yuskhanzab" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Ragnarok private server
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304411021.m2f.60361 at forum.winehq.org>
>
> how can u play a ragnarok private server using wine? can u teach me how to
do that?im also have the same problem...
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 03:48:41 -0500
> From: "Wintershade" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine] Switching to 16-bit colour depth (from 24) - is it
>    possible?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304412521.m2f.60362 at forum.winehq.org>
>
> Hello. I'm having a bit of trouble running some old games, like
Planescape Torment
(http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=22660&iTestingId=61130)
(the GOG.com version). When I try to start the game, it complains about the
desktop bit depth (I have 24 as default, and it requires 16-bit).
>
> The game suggests I should either run it in fullscreen (which I am), or to
switch to 16-bit colour depth (which is quite an inconvenience if I have to edit
xorg.conf and restart X every time I want to play the game, and then edit
xorg.conf back, and restart X again)
>
> Is it possible to use (or emulate?) 16-bit colours inside, e.g. a WINE
virtual desktop? Or to use some opengl extension which would provide this
effect?
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> Thanks in advance :)
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 03:59:11 -0500
> From: "natostanco" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: steam games not working
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304413151.m2f.60363 at forum.winehq.org>
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> nobody? I just installed wine, removed .wine folder first, installed steam,
than downloaded tf2 and disabled gameoverlayrender and it gives me only that
error. could not load library client
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 04:32:46 -0500
> From: "pieterparker17" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Error in wine registry
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304415166.m2f.60364 at forum.winehq.org>
>
> i am importing Win XP registry file to Wine , using a command
> $ regedit  filename.reg
> but an error occured ,which is shown below
> err:winedevice:ServiceMain driver L"USBFORDEC" failed to load
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> why this error is shown and how it can be eliminated ??
> Regards
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 05:05:34 -0500
> From: "oiaohm" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Error in wine registry
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304417134.m2f.60365 at forum.winehq.org>
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> Number 1 that kind of error should not stop a reg import.
>
> Please try a clean wine prefix I suspect you have added something that is
distrupting wine.   winedevice is what is used to load copy protection drivers
and any other driver wine is told to load into memory.  Reports errors like that
when a incompatible driver has been installed.
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 05:15:22 -0500
> From: "pieterparker17" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Error in wine registry
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304417722.m2f.60366 at forum.winehq.org>
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> oiaohm wrote:
>> Number 1 that kind of error should not stop a reg import.
>>
>> Please try a clean wine prefix I suspect you have added something that
is distrupting wine.
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> what it meant by wine prefix ? i didnt use it.
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 05:16:21 -0500
> From: "oiaohm" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine] Re: Switching to 16-bit colour depth (from 24) - is it
>    possible?
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304417781.m2f.60367 at forum.winehq.org>
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> Answer is kinda No.  Some applications fall for Virtual desktop window
option and work.  But if they don't fall for it you are kinda stuffed.
>
> X11 has its limitations.  I have not looks at xepher  or other sub X11
servers.
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> Basically wine does not emulate what the screen is.
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 05:17:27 -0500
> From: "CrayonKing" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Can't see list of winetricks!
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304417847.m2f.60368 at forum.winehq.org>
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> Hello, I updated using the preferences and once I did, my list of
winetricks disappeared. I am using Wine in OSX please help because I am getting
a run time error whilst installing a program. The error reads Cannot Import
dll:C\windiws\temp\is-19038.tmp\isskinu.dll I want to see if I can find a wine
trick to Get rid of this error message. PLEASE thanks.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 05:18:32 -0500
> From: "CrayonKing" <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
> Subject: [Wine]  Re: Can't see list of winetricks!
> To: wine-users at winehq.org
> Message-ID: <1304417912.m2f.60369 at forum.winehq.org>
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> sorry ....C\windOws\.....
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