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I'm starting to understand fixed and random effects, but I'm puzzled a bit. Here is an example from Hays's textbook (which is great at explaining fixed vs. random effects, at least to dummies like me), from the section on mixed models. You need library(nlme) in order to run it. ------ task <- gl(3,2,36) # Three tasks, a fixed effect. subj <- gl(6,6,36) # Six subjects, a random

I've posted the following to R-help on May 15. It has reproducible R code for real data -- and a real (academic, i.e unpaid) consultion background. I'd be glad for some insight here, mainly not for myself. In the mean time, we've learned that it is to be expected for anova(*, "marginal") to be contrast dependent, but still are glad for advice if you have experience. Thank

Hi, I have a question about using "lme" and "aov" for the following dataset. If I understand correctly, using "aov" with Error term in the formula is equivalent to using "lme" with default settings, i.e. both assume compound symmetry correlation structure. And I have found that equivalency in the past. However, with the follwing dataset, I got different

Hi, I have a question about using "lme" and "aov" for the following dataset. If I understand correctly, using "aov" with an Error term in the formula is equivalent to using "lme" with default settings, i.e. both assume compound symmetry correlation structure. And I have found that equivalency in the past. However, with the follwing dataset, I got different

Hi all, Sent the following question yesterday, but haven't got any suggestions yet. So just trying again, can anyone comment on the problem that I have? Thank you! ------------- Hi, I have a question about using "lme" and "aov" for the following dataset. If I understand correctly, using "aov" with an Error term in the formula is equivalent to using

Hi Bert, Thanks for the suggestions. I tried lme with different control parameters, and also tried using "ML", instaed of "REML", but still got the same answers. Yes, I hope some gurus on this list could give me some hints. Thanks --- "Gunter, Bert" <bert_gunter at merck.com> wrote: > But they are close. This is almost certainly a > numeric issue --

Dear all, I'm analysing a split-plot experiment, where there are sometimes one or two values missing. I realized that if the data is slightly unbalanced, the effect of the subplot-treatment will also appear and be tested against the mainplot-error term. I replicated this with the Oats dataset from Yates (1935), contained in the nlme package, where Variety is on mainplot, and nitro on

Hello, Are there any access functions to the various residual variables that should result from a repeated measures ANOVA ? MyAOVObject$residuals does not exist, and simply printing MyAOVObject gives a very long print of all fields in the result list, many of which I can't see what they are exactly : $error.qr$qraux, for instance. What I would like basically is to inspect those residuals

Hi, I am having trouble using the lme function to perform a nested ANOVA with a random nested factor. My design is as follows: Location (n=6) (Random) Site nested within each Location (n=12) (2 Sites nested within each Location) (Random) Dependent variable: sp (species abundance) By using the aov function I can generate a nested ANOVA, however this assumes that my nested

I am trying to do Tukey HSD comparisons on a repeated measures expt. I found the following example on r-help and quoted approvingly elsewhere. It is broken. Can anyone please tell me how to get it to work? I am using R 2.4.1. > require(MASS) ## for oats data set > require(nlme) ## for lme() > require(multcomp) ## for multiple comparison stuff > Aov.mod <- aov(Y ~ N + V +

Hello R Users, I am investigating the basic use of the LME function, using the following example; Response is Weight, covariate is Age, random factor is Genotype model.lme <- lme (Weight~Age, random=~ 1|Genotype) After summary(model.lme), I find that the estimate of Age is 0.098 with p=0.758. I am comparing the above model with the AOV function; model.aov <- aov (Weight~Age + Genotype)

Hi, I'm confused about how to specify random and fixed factors in an aov() term. I tried to reproduce a textbook example: One fixed factor (Game, 4 levels) and one random factor (Store, 12 levels), response is Points. The random factor Store is nested in Game. I tried > str(kh.df) `data.frame': 48 obs. of 4 variables: $ Subj : Factor w/ 48 levels

Hello together, I am an absolute noob in R and therefore I need help urgently. I have received a script from my tutor with plot functions in it. However, I can' manage to adapt these plots. The hole script is as follows: setwd("E:/") ##### (1) Read data ### dat <- read.table("Komfort_Tatsaechliche_ID_Versuchsreihe_1.txt", header=TRUE, sep="\t",

Dear List, I have been using R to create an xyplot using the panel function within lattice libraries. This plot is based on the data supplied in R named 'Oats'. The graph represents oat yield by nitro level with an overlay of each variety of oats for each nitro level. I have three questions regarding this graph: 1) I cannot seem to specify the type of symbol used by the plot, even though

I am doing an analysis and would like to use lme() and the multcomp package to do multiple comparisons. My design is a within subjects design with three crossed fixed factors (every participant sees every combination of three fixed factors A,B,C). Of course, I can use aov() to analyze this with an error term (leaving out the obvious bits): y ~ A*B*C+Error(Subject/(A*B*C)) I'd also like

Dear R users, this is a follow up of this message http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/e6/help/09/05/13897.html I'm reproducing the core of it for convenience. > // > / data(Oats, package = "MEMSS") / > / tp1.oats <- xyplot(yield ~ nitro | Variety + Block, / > / data = Oats, / > / panel = function(x, y, subscripts, ...) { /

Full_Name: Kevin Wright Version: 1.8.0 OS: Windows 95 Submission from: (NULL) (170.54.59.160) This bug also happens to me using R 1.9.0 on Windows 2000. Took me a long time to create a reproducible bug, but I think I have succeeded. I suspect my test function has a bug, but I don't see anything wrong. Plus, the bug only shows up when selecting certain filenames. Nearest I can speculate,

The following code produces a legend ("key") that mentions the unused levels of Block. library(MEMSS) xyplot(yield~nitro, subset=(Block=="I" | Block=="II"), data=Oats, group=Block, auto.key=T) and adding "drop.unused.levels=T" does not fix it. And in fact even the following does not solve the problem: xyplot(yield~nitro,

I am learning R, and although I have looked in the documentation, I may be asking something obvious. Sorry, if that is the case. In a split-plot design if there is a missing subunit summary gives me a table with two rows for the same factor, one in the error within section and one in the section using error between units. With no data missing the table is "normal". How does one

Dear all, Consider a completely randomized block design (let's use data(Oats) irrespoctive of the split-plot design it was arranged in). Look: library(nlme) fit <- lme(yield ~ nitro, Oats, random = ~1|Block, method="ML") fit2 <- lm(yield ~ nitro + Block, Oats) anova(fit, fit2) gives this: Model df AIC BIC logLik Test L.Ratio p-value fit 1 4 624.3245