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Hi again Sorry, in looking again at sammon and isoMDS I see that they seem to do exactly what I want, except that they are non-metric, which means, as I understand it, that they relate the rank orders of the variables rather than the actual distances. Could I use these non-metric MDS packages even if my distances are metric? Thanks Karen -- Karen Kotschy Centre for Water in the Environment

Hi all, I'm trying to perform an MDS of some data that I have. When I use cmdscale everything is fine and I get some interesting results however, the tends to be low. What I wnat to do is compare this with the Non-Metric MDS using isoMDS or sammon. However, when I try using these I get the following message. Error in isoMDS(x.dist) : zero or negative distance between objects 2 and 4

If tbl is an object of class 'dist', you can do this: a <- sammon(tbl, k=3) But you can't do this: b <- isoMDS(tbl, k=3) Wouldn't it be sensible to have identical interfaces to sammon() and isoMDS() ? I think all that would be needed is to change this: isoMDS <- function(d, y=cmdscale(d, 2), maxit=50, trace=TRUE) { ...into this: isoMDS <-

Dear all, I'm trying to get a two dimensional embedding of some data using different meythods, among which princomp(), cmds(), sammon() and isoMDS(). I have a problem with sammon() because the coordinates I get are all equal to NA. What does it mean? Why the method fails in finding the coordinates? Can I do anything to get some meaningful results? Thank you very much Domenico

Dear All, I am in the somewhat unfortunate position of having to reproduce the results previously obtained from (non-metric?) MDS on a "kinship" matrix using Statistica. A kinship matrix measures affinity between groups, and has its maximum values on the diagonal. Apparently, starting with a nxn kinship matrix, all it was needed to do was to feed it to Statistica flagging that the

Hello R-user community! I am running R 2.7.0 on a Power Book (Tiger). (I am still R and statistics beginner) Presently I try to run the function metaMDS (vegan) using an existing dissimilarity-matrix. As I would like to start with this matrix I thought I could just give the matrix using the x= -argument Test<-metaMDS(x=Dist.Gower) Fehler in inherits(comm, "dist") :

Hi, I am trying to create 3 mds plots: one with axis 1 vs axis 2, one with axis 2 vs axis 3, and one with axis 1 vs axis 3. When inputting my code, I only end up with one diagram and when inputting mdsg.mds$dims, the program returns 2 for 2 dimensions. How can I create the other two plots? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Calla Carbone The table I use is number of each taxa on each

Dear all, I'm running a set of nonparametric MDS analyses, using a wrapper for isoMDS, on a 800x800 distance matrix. I noticed that setting the parameter k to larger numbers seriously increases the calculation time. Actually, with k=10 it calculates already longer than for k=2 and k=5 together. It's now calculating for 6 hours, and counting... There is quite a difference between the

Dear All, I am not familar with R. I want to use PCA (principal components analysis) and MDS (multidimensional scaling). Can someone tell me which R package I should use for PCA and MDS? I appreciate your help in advance. Ray

What are the limitations on size of matrix for MDS functions? steve -- Steve Antos Priva-Technologies 847-640-9020 x3114 cell (540)409-1231 [[alternative HTML version deleted]]

hello, subsequently to a NMDS analysis (performed with metaMDS or isoMDS) is it possible to rotate the axis through a varimax-rotation? Thanks in advance. Bernd Panassiti

Hi, I have tried to develop multidimensional scaling for 3D space using PCA without success, yet;-) Is there some application ready in R? Cheers, Atte

Dear useRs, last week I asked you about a problem related to isoMDS. It turned out that in my case isoMDS was trapped. Nonetheless, I still have some problems with other data sets. Therefore I would like to know if anyone here has experience with how well isoMDS performs in comparison to other non-metric MDS routines, like Minissa. I have the feeling that for large data sets with a high

Dear R-helpers, I am running metaMDS in the vegan package, which uses isoMDS in MASS, to perform Nonmetric Multidimentional Scaling (NMDS). I have seen some authors report a p-value for the NMDS ordination based on randomization of the dataset. As I understand it this is meant to compare the stress in your dataset to multiple runs of randomized data. I do not see a way to perform such a test in

Hello everyone! metaMDS(cm, distance = "euclidean", k = 2, trymax = 50, autotransform =TRUE, trace = 1, plot = T) (cm is a similarity matrix, in which values are positive integers or 0) I use this command to run NMDS on my matrix "cm". But the stress is very high after analysis. About 14. Actually, there is no improvment comparing with using isoMDS.

Hello, I can draw a basic stress plot for NMDS with the following code in package Vegan. > stressplot(parth.mds, parth.dis) When I try to specify the line and point types, it gives me error message. > stressplot(parth.mds, parth.dis, pch=1, p.col="gray", lwd=2, l.col="red") Error in plot.xy(xy, type, ...) : invalid plot type In the above code, if I removed line type,

Colleagues, I'm developing a library of functions for community ecology analyses and have a couple of questions that I've not been able to answer via faqs or docs. 1) Are there existing functions for: a) Bray-Curtis (polar) ordination? b) non-metric multidimensional scaling (NMDS)? c) canonical correlation analyses (CCA and DCA)? d) TWINSPAN (doubtful...)? 2) If not,

Dear all, I'm analyzing a dataset (A) of 400 cases with 11 binary variables. Unfortunately, several (actually a lot) of cases are identical. NA are also present. I want to to plot distances between cases. For this, I obtained a distance matrix by dist(A, method="binary"). I then analyzed the obtained distance via Principal coordinate analysis with cmdscale(). Results are fine.

Hi, I am currently working on some data and feel that NMDS would return an excellent result. With my current data set however I have been experiencing some problems and cannot carry out metaMDS. I have tried with a few smaller data sets which I created for practice sake and this has worked fine. I think it is the set up of my data set that is causing me trouble. I have 18 columns and 18 rows,

Among those users of Primer, stress values greater than 0.3 are interpreted as "questionable". Using both isoMDS and metaMDS (vegan package), the stress values returned are much higher using my own data and using examples provided in R Help. For example Rstress = 8.3, and the stressplot r2 = 0.99 indicating (to me) that the ordination is OK. I am guessing that the "stress"