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Hello, and sorry for asking a question without the data - hope it can still be answered: I've run two things on the same data: # Using lme: mix.lme <- lme(DV ~a+b+c+d+e+f+h+i, random = random = ~ e+f+h+i| group, data = mydata) # Using lmer mix.lmer <- lmer(DV ~a+b+c+d+(1|group)+(e|group)+(f|group)+(h|group)+(i|group), data = mydata) lme provided an output (fixed effects and random

I am newbie in R, trying to understand and compare syntax in nlme and lme4. lme() model from the nlme package I am interested in is: lme.m1.1 = lme(Y~A+B+C,random=~1|D/E,data=data,method="ML") (for simplicity reason, I am giving generic names of factors) If I understand well, there are three fixed factors: A, B and C, and two random factors: D and E. In addition to that, E is nested in

windows Vista R 2.10.1 What is the difference (or differences) between lme and lmer? Both appear to perform mixed effects regression analyses. Thanks John John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D. Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology Baltimore VA Medical Center 10 North Greene Street GRECC (BT/18/GR) Baltimore, MD 21201-1524 (Phone)

Hi, I have this: lme(y~x1+x2,random=~1|x1/x2) How to make this random effect using lmer? I try this: lmer(y~x1+x2+(1|x1/x2) But it dont work. Any idea? Thanks Ronaldo -- System halted! -- |> // | \\ [***********************************] | ( ?? ?? ) [Ronaldo Reis J??nior ] |> V [UFV/DBA-Entomologia ] | / \ [36570-000 Vi??osa -

First of all, I apologize for asking a question that has appeared recurrently in this mailing list. However, I have googled for it, have looked at the mailing list archives, and also looked at Pinheiro & Bates book (although not very thoroughly, I must confess), to no avail. Here is the question: I am trying to obtain with lme or lmer the same exact numerical results (p-values) that I obtain

Hi all, I am not a very proficient R-user yet, so I hope I am not wasting people?s time. I want to run a linear mixed model with 3 random factors (A, B, C) where A and B are partially crossed and C is nested within B. I understand that this is not easily possible using lme but it might be using lmer. I encountered two problems when trying: Firstly, I can enter two random factors in lmer but

Can lme or lmer fit a plain regular fixed effects anova? Ie a model without a random effect, or have there be at least one random effect in order for these functions to work? Trying to run such, (1) without specifying a random effect produces an error, (2) specifying that there is no random effect does not produce the same output as an anova run in lm(); (2b) specifying that there is no

Hi, I asked this on mixed model mailing list, but that list is not very active, so I'd like to try the general R mailing list. Sorry if anyone receives the double post. Hi, I have a dataset of animals receiving some eye treatments. There are 8 treatments, each animal's right and left eye was measured with some scores (ranging from 0 to 7) 4 times after treatment. So there are

Hi, all, I have a question about random effects model. I am dealing with a three-factor experiment dataset. The response variable y is modeled against three factors: Samples, Operators, and Runs. The experimental design is as follow: 4 samples were randomly chosen from a large pool of test samples. Each of the 4 samples was analyzed by 4 operators, randomly selected from a group of

Hello, I'm using aov() to analyse changes in brain volume between males and females. For every subject (there are 331 in total) I have 8 volume measurements (4 different brain lobes and 2 different tissues (grey/white matter)). The data looks like this: Subject Sex Lobe Tissue Volume subect1 1 F g 262374 subect1 1 F w 173758 subect1 1 O g 67155 subect1 1 O w 30067 subect1 1 P g 117981

Dear members, I would like to switch from nlme to lme4 and try to translate some of my models that worked fine with lme. I have problems with the pdMat classes. Below a toy dataset with a fixed effect F and a random effect R. I gave also 2 similar lme models. The one containing pdLogChol (lme1) is easy to translate (as it is an explicit notation of the default model) The more parsimonious

Hello R-help, I'm studying an example in the R book.? The data file is available from the link below.http://www.bio.ic.ac.uk/research/mjcraw/therbook/data/fertilizer.txt Could you explain Why the results from lme() and lmer() are different in the following case? In other examples, I can get the same results using the two functions, but not here...? Thank you.Miya library(lme4)library(nlme)#

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freddy Gamma <freddy.gamma@gmail.com> Date: 2011/1/21 Subject: TRADUCING lmer() syntax into lme() To: r-sig-mixed-models@r-project.org Dear Rsociety, I'd like to kingly ask to anyone is willing to answer me how to implement a NON NESTED random effects structure in lme() In particular I've tried the following translation from lmer to

Hi, this is not a new doubt, but is a doubt that I cant find a good response. Look this output: > m.lme <- lme(Yvar~Xvar,random=~1|Plot1/Plot2/Plot3) > anova(m.lme) numDF denDF F-value p-value (Intercept) 1 860 210.2457 <.0001 Xvar 1 2 1.2352 0.3821 > summary(m.lme) Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML Data: NULL AIC BIC

This question comes up periodically, probably enough to give it a proper thread and maybe point to this thread for reference (similar to the 'conservative anova' thread not too long ago). Moving from lme syntax, which is the function found in the nlme package, to lmer syntax (found in lme4) is not too difficult. It is probably useful to first explain what the differences are between the

Hello, I have two very rudimentary questions regarding the random effects terms in the lme and lmer functions. I apologize if this also partly strays into a general statistics question, but I'm a bit new to this all. So hopefully it'll be a quick problem to sort out... Here is my experimental setup: I raised butterflies in 5 different testing chambers all set to different

Hi, I performed an experiment where I raised different families coming from two different source populations, where each family was split up into a different treatments. After the experiment I measured several traits on each individual. To test for an effect of either treatment or source as well as their interaction, I used a linear mixed effect model with family as random factor, i.e.

Dear community, I'd like to fix a mixed model. I have unbalance data, what should i use: lme in nlme package , or lmer in lme4. Thanks, user at host.com as user at host.com -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/lme-or-lmer-for-unbalance-data-tp4608425.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Hello folks, I have some data where spatial autocorrelation seems to be a serious problem, and I'm unclear on how to deal with it in R. I've tried to do my homework - read through 'The R Book,' use the online help in R, search the internet, etc. - and I still have some unanswered questions. I'd greatly appreciate any help you could offer. The super-super short explanation is

Hello, all, I am running some simulations to estimate power for a complicated epidemiological study, and am using lme and lmer to get these estimates. I have to run a few thousand iterations, and once in a great while, an iteration will create fake data such that the model won't converge. I see from Google searches that this is not an uncommon situation. My question: is there a way to