> Great for what? Why someone wants to stick with 4.16 or 4.15?For whatever reason I don't strictly need to know. What's the issue with this? Why so much discussion over an optional opportunity?>> Current goal: provide Samba packages (possibly via apt repo) for stable and >> maintenance for Debian 11, Ubuntu 20 and 22. > > What does "stable and maintenance" mean? Like 4.15 and 4.16?As per the posted link, stable is 4.17 and maintenance is 4.16, at this moment. Adding 4.15 which is still in security fixes, would really be the top.> Again, what for? to have a big collection to show to someone? What *practical* > reason it provides?apt-get install --reinstall my-old-version? Again, what's the problem with this. I tend to be a collector, yes, that's true. So what? Do we need to discuss further on this? If it's possible to provide an apt repo with .16 and .17 for Deb11, Ubuntu20 and 22 it's just fine. Not fine, but GREAT for many people on this list who relied on Louis' work. That's it. If you're able and you're willing to do so on your own, then thank you. If not, I'll be really grateful if you can support or guide this project. -- Lorenzo Milesi - lorenzo.milesi at yetopen.com CTO @ YetOpen Srl YetOpen - https://www.yetopen.com/ Corso Martiri della Liberazione 114 - 23900 Lecco - ITALY - | 4801 Glenwood Avenue - Suite 200 - Raleigh, NC 27612 - USA - Tel +39 0341 220 205 - info.it at yetopen.com | Phone +1 919-817-8106 - info.us at yetopen.com Think green - Non stampare questa e-mail se non necessario / Don't print this email unless necessary -------- D.Lgs. 196/2003 e GDPR 679/2016 -------- Tutte le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate ed a uso esclusivo del destinatario. Tutte le informazioni ivi contenute, compresi eventuali allegati, sono da ritenere confidenziali e riservate secondo i termini del vigente D.Lgs. 196/2003 in materia di privacy e del Regolamento europeo 679/2016 - GDPR - e quindi ne e' proibita l'utilizzazione ulteriore non autorizzata. Nel caso in cui questo messaggio Le fosse pervenuto per errore, La invitiamo ad eliminarlo senza copiarlo, stamparlo, a non inoltrarlo a terzi e ad avvertirci non appena possibile. Grazie. Confidentiality notice: this email message including any attachment is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information; pursuant to Legislative Decree 196/2003 and the European General Data Protection Regulation 679/2016 - GDPR - any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recepient please delete this message without copying, printing or forwarding it to others, and alert us as soon as possible. Thank you.
On 21/10/2022 21:03, Lorenzo Milesi via samba wrote:> >> Great for what? Why someone wants to stick with 4.16 or 4.15? > > For whatever reason I don't strictly need to know. What's the issue with this? > Why so much discussion over an optional opportunity? > >>> Current goal: provide Samba packages (possibly via apt repo) for stable and >>> maintenance for Debian 11, Ubuntu 20 and 22. >> >> What does "stable and maintenance" mean? Like 4.15 and 4.16? > > As per the posted link, stable is 4.17 and maintenance is 4.16, at this moment. > Adding 4.15 which is still in security fixes, would really be the top. > >> Again, what for? to have a big collection to show to someone? What *practical* >> reason it provides? > > apt-get install --reinstall my-old-version? > Again, what's the problem with this. I tend to be a collector, yes, that's true. So what? Do we need to discuss further on this? > > If it's possible to provide an apt repo with .16 and .17 for Deb11, Ubuntu20 and 22 it's just fine. Not fine, but GREAT for many people on this list who relied on Louis' work. > That's it. > If you're able and you're willing to do so on your own, then thank you. > If not, I'll be really grateful if you can support or guide this project. >I think you are both talking at cross purposes. Michael is talking about what Debian needs to supply as a distro and Lorenzo is talking about what he would like to supply as a third party repo, they are not mutually exclusive. I do not see the point of Lorenzo supplying Samba packages for Debian that Debian already supplies, I also see no reason why Debian should supply Samba packages for anything other than Debian. Rowland
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 22:03 +0200, Lorenzo Milesi via samba wrote:> > Great for what? Why someone wants to stick with 4.16 or 4.15? > > For whatever reason I don't strictly need to know. What's the issue > with this? > Why so much discussion over an optional opportunity?I would warn that what seems like an easy thing to start is a very hard thing to finish and an even harder thing to leave. I would warn that if anyone start to provide packages, that folks soon start to expect that these packages be kept up to date. ?And I don't just means maintenance releases as planned, but at a constant pace if maintaining 3 versions, but also security updates, sometimes significant ones. ? This is a big task, and one that doesn't wait for $DAY_JOB, $NIGHT_JOB, weekends with the kids or weekend tramps (hikes for those not in NZ) wilderness. The worst bit is when your own local need has gone away, but you feel you need to continue to maintain these. ?Samba in Debian was kept alive thanks to the tireless work of?Mathieu Parent long past ?the point where he had a personal/professional interest. We thank him greatly, but give this warning because we know the burden it placed. ? And finally the situation around LDB just makes it even more unpleasant, so it would be easier to just package from the point where Michael has re-bundled that, not older releases. Andrew Bartlett -- Andrew Bartlett (he/him) https://samba.org/~abartlet/ Samba Team Member (since 2001) https://samba.org Samba Developer, Catalyst IT https://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba
Lorenzo Milesi via samba schreef op 2022-10-21 22:03:>> Great for what? Why someone wants to stick with 4.16 or 4.15? > > For whatever reason I don't strictly need to know. What's the issue > with this? > Why so much discussion over an optional opportunity?Because it places an additional burden on the maintainer for little benefit. I believe your use case is *reproducibility*. For example, it *could* be useful to have the *ability* to install a new system with an older version. I can't speak for the Samba and Debian project, but I can imagine that it comes down to the following cost-benefit analysis: - Give *some* users the *ability* to *potentially* install an *old* version. - - This has to be maintained. Like Andrew said: "[...] if anyone start to provide packages, that folks soon start to expect that these packages be kept up to date." - - It's usually in a software project's best interests for many users to run the newest version. - Spend time that can't be spent on features and quality improvements that *all* users will *definitely* benefit from.> >>> Current goal: provide Samba packages (possibly via apt repo) for >>> stable and >>> maintenance for Debian 11, Ubuntu 20 and 22. >> >> What does "stable and maintenance" mean? Like 4.15 and 4.16? > > As per the posted link, stable is 4.17 and maintenance is 4.16, at this > moment. > Adding 4.15 which is still in security fixes, would really be the top. > >> Again, what for? to have a big collection to show to someone? What >> *practical* >> reason it provides? > > apt-get install --reinstall my-old-version? > Again, what's the problem with this. I tend to be a collector, yes, > that's true. So what? Do we need to discuss further on this? > > If it's possible to provide an apt repo with .16 and .17 for Deb11, > Ubuntu20 and 22 it's just fine. Not fine, but GREAT for many people on > this list who relied on Louis' work. > That's it. > If you're able and you're willing to do so on your own, then thank you. > If not, I'll be really grateful if you can support or guide this > project. > > -- > Lorenzo Milesi - lorenzo.milesi at yetopen.com > CTO @ YetOpen Srl > YetOpen - https://www.yetopen.com/ > > Corso Martiri della Liberazione 114 - 23900 Lecco - ITALY - | 4801 > Glenwood Avenue - Suite 200 - Raleigh, NC 27612 - USA - > Tel +39 0341 220 205 - info.it at yetopen.com | Phone +1 919-817-8106 - > info.us at yetopen.com > > Think green - Non stampare questa e-mail se non necessario / Don't > print this email unless necessary > > -------- D.Lgs. 196/2003 e GDPR 679/2016 -------- > Tutte le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservate ed > a uso esclusivo del destinatario. > Tutte le informazioni ivi contenute, compresi eventuali allegati, sono > da ritenere confidenziali e riservate secondo i termini > del vigente D.Lgs. 196/2003 in materia di privacy e del Regolamento > europeo 679/2016 - GDPR - e quindi ne e' proibita l'utilizzazione > ulteriore non autorizzata. > Nel caso in cui questo messaggio Le fosse pervenuto per errore, La > invitiamo ad eliminarlo senza copiarlo, stamparlo, a non inoltrarlo a > terzi e ad avvertirci non appena possibile. > Grazie. > > Confidentiality notice: this email message including any attachment is > for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain > confidential and privileged information; > pursuant to Legislative Decree 196/2003 and the European General Data > Protection Regulation 679/2016 - GDPR - any unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution > is prohibited. If you are not the intended recepient please delete > this message without copying, printing or forwarding it to others, and > alert us as soon as possible. > Thank you.-- With kind regards, William Edwards