[llvm-dev] Code of Conduct Next Steps - Community feedback needed

David Chisnall via llvm-dev
2020-02-18T10:55:28Z

Hi Tanya,

On 18/02/2020 00:56, Tanya Lattner wrote:
> I understand not everyone wants to use Google docs which was why I gave an
option to reply via email as well. My intention on using Google docs is really
just based on my experience using it for docs that span different groups of
people and it is what I primarily use for text documents.

As I understand it from the pop-ups on the page, I cannot *read* a
Google doc without agreeing to a somewhat invasive privacy policy.  As
such, an option to reply via email does not help me if my goal is to
avoid agreeing to this policy.

Irrespective of your intent (and I strongly believe that this is not
your intention) or the value of the tools, the message that you are
sending is being received as 'you must agree to Google's privacy policy
to participate in discussions that are core to the LLVM community'.
Your replies in this thread are being perceived as the LLVM Foundation
does not care and does not value the privacy of its constituency.

The CoC draft currently on the LLVM web site states:

 > Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in
turn will depend on the work of others. Any decision you take will
affect users and colleagues, and you should take those consequences into
account

During the switch to GitHub, there were very long discussions about
moving to a tool that is blocked in some countries, is under the control
of a single company, and requires signing up to a fairly complex set of
T&Cs to use.  The consensus (though not unanimous) view was that the
benefits significantly outweighed the costs.  This deliberation process
took several months and the community heard many arguments on both sides.

A similar discussion took place with regards to Discord and the privacy
policy there was seen as a reason that a sufficiently large proportion
of the community would not wish to participate that it was a problem.
There has been no such deliberation on the merits of Google Docs (or
Office 365, or any other proprietary document hosting service).

If placing this on Google Docs was your personal decision and not any
form of official LLVM Foundation policy, then I would ask that you
reflect on what I have said and place it in a more inclusive location,
such as a Phabricator diff to the existing CoC.

David