[llvm-dev] Code of Conduct Next Steps - Community feedback needed

Tom Stellard via llvm-dev
2020-02-18T16:28:50Z

On 02/18/2020 02:55 AM, David Chisnall via llvm-dev
wrote:
> Hi Tanya,
>
> On 18/02/2020 00:56, Tanya Lattner wrote:
>> I understand not everyone wants to use Google docs which was why I gave
an option to reply via email as well. My intention on using Google docs is
really just based on my experience using it for docs that span different groups
of people and it is what I primarily use for text documents.
>
> As I understand it from the pop-ups on the page, I cannot *read* a Google
doc without agreeing to a somewhat invasive privacy policy.  As such, an option
to reply via email does not help me if my goal is to avoid agreeing to this
policy.
>
> Irrespective of your intent (and I strongly believe that this is not your
intention) or the value of the tools, the message that you are sending is being
received as 'you must agree to Google's privacy policy to participate in
discussions that are core to the LLVM community'. Your replies in this
thread are being perceived as the LLVM Foundation does not care and does not
value the privacy of its constituency.
>
> The CoC draft currently on the LLVM web site states:
>
>> Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in turn
will depend on the work of others. Any decision you take will affect users and
colleagues, and you should take those consequences into account
>
> During the switch to GitHub, there were very long discussions about moving
to a tool that is blocked in some countries, is under the control of a single
company, and requires signing up to a fairly complex set of T&Cs to use.
The consensus (though not unanimous) view was that the benefits significantly
outweighed the costs.  This deliberation process took several months and the
community heard many arguments on both sides.
>
> A similar discussion took place with regards to Discord and the privacy
policy there was seen as a reason that a sufficiently large proportion of the
community would not wish to participate that it was a problem. There has been no
such deliberation on the merits of Google Docs (or Office 365, or any other
proprietary document hosting service).
>
> If placing this on Google Docs was your personal decision and not any form
of official LLVM Foundation policy, then I would ask that you reflect on what I
have said and place it in a more inclusive location, such as a Phabricator diff
to the existing CoC.
>

To be clear, we (LLVM Foundation Board), reviewed the email and the use of
Google
docs, this was not Tanya's personal decision.

Our intention was not to exclude anyone.  We have heard your feedback and will
work on making the document accessible in some other way.

-Tom