[llvm-dev] moving libfuzzer to compiler-rt?

Chris Bieneman via llvm-dev
Tue, 09 May 2017 21:37:57 -0000

> On May 9, 2017, at 2:19 PM, George Karpenkov <ekarpenkov at
apple.com> wrote:
>
> +Chris.
>
> My understanding was that it is technically impossible for things in “lib”,
as they are built first, and there’s no way to tell them to do that before
“clang”.
> I’m not a CMake expert, and I might be wrong.

It is not impossible, it would just involve excessive hacks. Since it seems like
this isn't a short-term solution we're talking about I am very opposed
to throwing hacks into the build system. I'd rather we actually fix the
problem(s). More below.

>
>> On May 9, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com
<mailto:kcc at google.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:56 PM, George Karpenkov <ekarpenkov at
apple.com <mailto:ekarpenkov at apple.com>> wrote:
>> Again, after offline conversation with Chris Bieneman:
>>
>>  - move to compiler-rt would be too complicated due to change in
licenses
>>  - it would make much more sense to move to “tools” folder instead, for
the following reasons:
>>     * conceptually, it’s a tool, not a library
>>     * all other projects in “lib” depend on LLVM and can not build
without LLVM, libFuzzer does not
>>     * practically speaking, CMake has no way of knowing whether Clang
is being built when
>>       “lib” is compiled, yet it does know for projects in tools.
>>
>> Using a freshly built clang for projects in “tools” is embarrassingly
easy and only requires a couple of lines
>> of configuration change.
>>
>> Kostya, what about moving to “tools” then?
>>
>> Well, ok, this sounds cool.
>> But can we make one more step and try to preserve the code where it is,
for the sake of compatibility?

Please no. This code doesn't actually belong in lib, it has never fit the
model of an LLVM library, we really need to pull it out of there.

>> E.g. can we have the CMake in tools while still keeping the code in
lib?

Could we contrive a hack in the build system to do it? Yes, but I will fight
violently against allowing that change into the build system because the right
answer here is to move the code.

>> Or a link of some kind?

Links are incredibly fragile on Windows, and they trip up a lot of SCM tools. We
have one in LLDB's repo that causes me nothing but problems, so I am also
strongly opposed to that.

>>
>> My worry is that there are already quite a few places that know where
libFuzzer code is,
>> and I don't control all of them.

Downstream clients will have to update. That is kinda how these things work, I
can't imagine re-pointing an SCM checkout being a huge burden.

>>
>> And, finally, I really don't get why we can do something in tools
and can't do the same in lib.
>> Or we simply don't want to do it to keep things simple?

Not all functionality in CMake is order-independent. Specifically the detection
of targets is not. In order to support what you're trying to do you are
going to change behavior based on the presence of the clang target. Which means
the clang target must be added before your CMake is processed.

To support this our build system has strict ordering requirements such that
things in lib cannot depend on things in tools. If you need to depend on clang,
you need to not be in lib.

Also, generally speaking Fuzzer is a library under lib that also has nested
tests, which is *not* how the lib directory is supposed to be structured. It
never should have been allowed to be structured like that. If you want the tests
next to the library, it is a tool or a runtime, but not a lib.

As I see there are two options to move forward with, and it really depends on
how you intend to use the just-built clang.

(1) If you want to use just-built clang to build libFuzzer and its tests, it
should be a runtime.
(2) If you want to use just-built clang to only build libFuzzer's tests, it
should be a tool.

I think that since it is a runtime library, it should be a runtime, and I expect
it would mostly work to just copy the Fuzzer directory into llvm/runtimes.

-Chris

>>
>> --kcc
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 9, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Dan Liew <dan at su-root.co.uk
<mailto:dan at su-root.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2017 at 18:55, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com
<mailto:kcc at google.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Dan Liew <dan at
su-root.co.uk <mailto:dan at su-root.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone see good reasons why libFuzzer should
remain in llvm repo
>>>>>> (as
>>>>>> opposed to moving it to compiler-rt)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does moving LibFuzzer to compiler-rt imply that it is
compiled as part
>>>>> of compiler-rt and shipped with it?
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that fit with LibFuzzer's model of allowing
the user to
>>>>> provide their own `main()`.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> libFuzzer doesn't allow users to use their own main (not
any more).
>>>> Although I am not sure how that's related to moving
libFuzzer somewhere.
>>>
>>> Oops. That shows how long it's been since I looked at the
source code.
>>>
>>> It was related in that if LibFuzzer was shipped as part of
compiler-rt
>>> I presumed we would need to supply both libraries to end users.
>>> Given that this feature was removed it is a non-issue.
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