[LLVMdev] RFC: LLVM should require a working C++11 , , and

Yaron Keren
Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:56:29 -0000

Indeed, mingw and pthreads have C++11 atomics, so building clang (with
atomics) should be possible even in cross compilation. I have no idea what
is the win from *not* using winpthreads, it is one small DLL file with BSD
license.

For context (does not matter to mingw as host for buiilding clang but
matters for clang running with mingw environment), clang TLS implementation
is not same as mingw so atomics do not work for clang+mingw pthreads unless
you replace libstdc++ with libcxx compiled by clang. Even there may be
troubles with mingw-compiled libraries.

libc++ could be built with mingw-w64. I had worked for a while with
mingw-w64 distribution with the C++ includes and libstdc++ replaced by the
libcxx files and dll respectively. It mostly works but there were many
issues in tests. I'm not sure what is the value of this configuration
unless it is start of road to independent clang-based 'gnu flavor'
windows
toolchain.


2014-09-24 9:06 GMT+03:00 Mueller-Roemer, Johannes Sebastian <
Johannes.Sebastian.Mueller-Roemer at igd.fraunhofer.de>:

>  I would love to see libc++ working on Windows. In any case, I personally
> use MinGW with pthreads, as that supports std::thread etc. Yes, it uses
> libwinpthread, but that shouldn't really be an issue.
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> *From:* llvmdev-bounces at cs.uiuc.edu [mailto:llvmdev-bounces at
cs.uiuc.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Chandler Carruth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 03:02
> *To:* LLVM Developers Mailing List; clang-dev Developers;
> lldb-dev at cs.uiuc.edu; Chris Bieneman; Reid Kleckner; David Majnemer;
Alex
> Rosenberg; Zachary Turner
> *Subject:* [LLVMdev] RFC: LLVM should require a working C++11
<thread>,
> <mutex>, and <atomic>
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> AKA: MinGW + win32threads is holding LLVM (and all of its subprojects)
> back. We need to stop supporting this host platform.
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> I'm aware of essentially 2 reasonably important use cases for
supporting
> MinGW + win32threads:
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> 1) Sane host toolchain on Windows that doesn't require downloading
MSVC.
> (I'm dubious about the value of this one...)
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>
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> 2) Cross-compiling a Windows clang.exe (and other tools) from a Linux (or
> other host) box.
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>
> Are there others? (And thanks to Reid for explaining these to me!)
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> I'm somewhat dubious about #1, but if we address #2 it will address any
> concerns with #1 anyways.
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> I would like to propose that we finish implementing libc++ sufficiently to
> host Clang on Windows using native Windows APIs to implement things. Then
> we document very clearly what is required to download the basic Windows SDK
> and cross compile Clang (and any other tools) for Windows using just libc++
> and the SDK. No need for MSVC bits, etc. Would this be acceptable?
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> If not, would it be acceptable to use libc++ on top of mingw (so just
> avoiding libstdc++)? I *really* don't want to spend lots of time going
> there because it seems like a low-value platform, but we can.
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> Anyways, I want to tease out anything else required here because if this
> is all we need, I think we can make it a reality and get to a much saner
> platform.
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