[LLVMdev] Does nounwind have semantics?

Kuperstein, Michael M
Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:14:46 -0000

Right, will fix the CallInst, copy/pasted from a different case and didn't
notice what I was doing, thanks.

Re LangRef.rst, that's what I meant, I'm still hoping for better
suggestions regarding the name...

As to the conflict - Tobias, feel free to go first, I'll merge.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Lewycky [mailto:nicholas at mxc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:11
To: Kuperstein, Michael M
Cc: Nick Lewycky; llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu; Tobias Grosser; echristo at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Does nounwind have semantics?

Kuperstein, Michael M wrote:
> A patch is attached.

+    const CallInst* CI = dyn_cast<CallInst>(Inst);
+    return CI->isSafeToSpeculativelyExecute();

"return
cast<CallInst>(Inst)->isSafeToSpeculativelyExecute();"?

Use cast<> instead of dyn_cast<>. See
http://llvm.org/docs/ProgrammersManual.html#isa . Then I don't think it
needs to be two lines. You can even remove the extra curly braces around this
case.

> Not sure I'm happy with this due to the aforementioned orthogonality
> concerns, but I really don't have any better ideas. If anyone does,
> feel free to offer them, I don't mind throwing this patch into the
trash.
>
> (Also, not happy with the name, using "speculatable" as Nick
> suggested, for the lack of other options. If the name stays I'll add
> it to the
> documentation.)

That reminds me, the patch needs to come with an update to LangRef.rst.

> Regarding auditing the intrinsics - I'd prefer to do this in stages.

Sounds fine. I'd like Eric to take a quick look and agree that marking debug
intrinsics speculatable is sane. (Yes they already are, but that doesn't
mean it's sane. I also want Eric to know that 'speculatable' is
going to start showing up in his debug info.)

One other thing, your patch and Tobias Grosser's patch (subject "Make
.bc en/decoding of AttrKind stable") are in conflict. Whoever lands second
will need to merge.

Nick

> Here I'm just preserving the current behavior by marking intrinsics
> that used to be explicitly handled in isSafeToSpeculativelyExecute(),
> so there should be no functional change.
>
> *From:*Nick Lewycky [mailto:nlewycky at google.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 02:29
> *To:* Kuperstein, Michael M
> *Cc:* Nick Lewycky; llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [LLVMdev] Does nounwind have semantics?
>
> On 22 July 2013 01:11, Kuperstein, Michael M
> <michael.m.kuperstein at intel.com
> <mailto:michael.m.kuperstein at intel.com>>
> wrote:
>
>     Of course frontends are free to put attributes, but it would be nice
>     if optimizations actually used them. ;-)
>     My use case is that of proprietary frontend that happens to know
>     some library function calls - which are only resolved at link time -
>     have no side effects and are safe to execute speculatively, and
>     wants to tell the optimizer it can move them around however it
>     likes. I'll gladly submit a patch that uses these hints, but
I'd
>     like to reach some consensus on what the desired attributes actually
>     are first. The last thing I want is to add attributes that are only
>     useful to myself.
>
>     Regarding having several orthogonal attributes vs. things like
>     "safetospeculate":
>
>     To know a function is safe to speculatively execute, I need at least:
>     1) readnone (readonly is insufficient, unless I know all accessed
>     pointers are valid)
>     2) nounwind
>     3) nolongjmp (I guess?)
>     4) no undefined behavior. This includes things like "halting"
and
>     "no division by zero", but that's not, by far, an
exhaustive list.
>
>     I guess there are several ways to handle (4).
>     Ideally, I agree with you, we'd like a set of orthogonal attributes
>     that, taken together, imply that the function's behavior is not
>     undefined.
>     But that requires mapping all sources of undefined behavior (I
don't
>     think this is currently documented for LLVM IR, at least not in a
>     centralized fashion) and adding a very specific attribute for each
>     of them. I'm not sure having function declarations with
"readnone,
>     nounwind, nolongjmp, halting, nodivbyzero, nopoisonval,
>     nocomparelabels, nounreachable, ..." is desirable.
>
>     We could also have a "welldefined" attribute and a
"halting"
>     attribute where "welldefined" subsumes "halting",
if the specific
>     case of a function which halts but may have undefined behavior is
>     important.
>     While the two are not orthogonal, it's similar to the situation
with
>     "readnone" and "readonly". Does that sound
reasonable?
>
> You're entirely right. I forgot about undefined behaviour.
>
> If you want a 'speculatable' attribute, I would review that patch.
> Please audit the intrinsics (at least the target-independent ones) and
> appropriate library functions for whether you can apply this attribute
> to them. I think the only optimization that it can trigger is that
> "isSafeToSpeculativelyExecute" returns true on it. Anything else?
Is
> it safe to infer readnone and nounwind from speculatable?
>
> I should mention that speculatable functions are extraordinarily
> limited in what they can do in the general (non-LLVM-as-a-library)
> case. They may be hoisted above calls to fork or pthread_create, they
> may be moved into global constructors (and thus can't depend on global
state), etc.
> However, since you have a specific library you want to generate code
> against, you have the power to make use of it. I don't expect clang or
> dragonegg to be able to make use of it.
>
> Nick
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Nick Lewycky [mailto:nicholas at mxc.ca <mailto:nicholas at
mxc.ca>]
>     Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:24
>     To: Kuperstein, Michael M
>     Cc: Andrew Trick; llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu <mailto:llvmdev at
cs.uiuc.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Does nounwind have semantics?
>
>     Kuperstein, Michael M wrote:
>      > I'm not sure I understand why it's blocked on that, by
the way.
>
>     It blocks our ability to automatically deduce the halting attribute
>     in the optimizer, which was necessary for the use case I had at the
>     time.
>     If you have a use case of your own, feel free to propose the patch!
>
>     (Technically it's not *blocked* -- see how my patch does it! -- but
>     the workarounds are too horrible to be committed.)
>
>      > Even if we can't apply the attribute ourselves, I don't
see why
>     we wouldn't expose that ability to frontends.
>
>     Frontends are free to put attributes on functions if they want to.
>     Go for it!
>
>      > I'm not entirely sure "halting" is the right
attribute either, by
>     the way.
>      > What I, personally, would like to see is a way to specify a
>     function call is safe to speculatively execute. That implies
>     readnone (not just readonly), nounwind, halting - and Eris knows
>     what else. Nick, is that too strong for you?
>
>     I strongly prefer the approach of having orthogonal attributes.
>     There are optimizations that you can do with each of these
>     attributes on their own. In particular I think that
>     readonly+halting+nounwind+nolongjmp is going to be common and I'd
>     feel silly if we had a special case for
>     readnone+halting+nounwind+nolongjmp and thus couldn't optimize the
more
>     common case.
>
>     That said, I'm also going to feel silly if we don't end up with
enough
>     attributes to allow isSafeToSpeculate to deduce it, which is where we
>     are right now. I was planning to get back to fixing this after
>     Chandler's promised PassManager work.
>
>     Nick
>
>      >
>      > Michael
>      >
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: llvmdev-bounces at cs.uiuc.edu
>     <mailto:llvmdev-bounces at cs.uiuc.edu>
>     [mailto:llvmdev-bounces at cs.uiuc.edu
>     <mailto:llvmdev-bounces at cs.uiuc.edu>] On Behalf Of Nick
Lewycky
>      > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 07:08
>      > To: Andrew Trick
>      > Cc: llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu <mailto:llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu>
>      > Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Does nounwind have semantics?
>      >
>      > Andrew Trick wrote:
>      >> Does 'nounwind' have semantics that inform
optimization passes?
>     It seems to in some cases, but not consistently. For example...
>      >>
>      >> int32_t foo(int32_t* ptr) {
>      >> int i = 0;
>      >> int result;
>      >> do {
>      >> bar(ptr);
>      >> result = *ptr;
>      >> bar(ptr);
>      >> } while (i++< *ptr);
>      >> return result;
>      >> }
>      >>
>      >> Say we have a front end that declares bar as...
>      >>
>      >> declare void @bar(i32*) readonly;
>      >>
>      >> So 'bar' is 'readonly' and
'may-unwind'.
>      >>
>      >> When LICM tries to hoist the load it interprets the
'may-unwind'
>     as "MayThrow" in LICM-language and bails. However, when it
tries to
>     sink the call itself it sees the 'readonly', assumes no side
effects
>     and sinks it below the loads. Hmm...
>      >>
>      >> There doesn't appear to be a way to declare a function
that is
>     guaranteed not to write to memory in a way that affects the caller,
>     but may have another well-defined side effect like aborting the
>     program. This is interesting, because that is the way runtime checks
>     for safe languages would like to be defined. I'm perfectly happy
>     telling front ends to generate control flow for well-defined traps,
>     since I like lots of basic blocks in my IR. But I'm still curious
>     how others deal with this.
>      >
>      > Yes, we went through a phase where people would try to use
>     "nounwind+readonly == no side-effects" to optimize. All such
>     optimizations are wrong. Unless otherwise proven, a function may
>     inf-loop, terminate the program, or longjmp.
>      >
>      > I tried to add 'halting' to help solve part of this a
long time
>     ago, but it never went in. The problem is that determining whether
>     you have loops requires a FunctionPass (LoopInfo to find loops and
>     SCEV to determine an upper bound) and applying function attributes
>     is an SCC operation (indeed, an SCC is itself a loop), so it's all
>     blocked behind fixing the PassManager to allow CGSGGPasses to depend
>     on FunctionPasses.
>      >
>
http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvm-commits/Week-of-Mon-20100705/103670.html
>      >
>      > I'm now in a similar situation where I want
'nounwind' to mean
>     "only exits by terminating the program or a return
instruction" but
>     unfortunately functions which longjmp are considered nounwind. I
>     would like to change llvm to make longjmp'ing a form of unwinding
>     (an exceptional exit to the function), but if I were to apply that
>     rule today then we'd start putting dwarf eh tables on all our C
>     code, oops.
>      >
>      > Nick
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