[Ironruby-core] "Start spreading the news"

Bobby Johnson
2010-08-08T02:47:58Z

what about the code better teamcity server? http://teamcity.codebetter.com/

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Michael Letterle <michael.letterle at
gmail.com
> wrote:

> We''ve had a CI server set up on CJ''s hardware for a
while, it''s
> actually worked from time to time as well :)
> http://twitter.com/IronRubyCI
>
> I''m more then willing to get that up and running again, it
wasn''t a
> general CI server though, it was mostly for mine and Ivan''s
changes
> for compilation under Linux.
>
> And Code review emails are just one extra step that''s not needed,
it''s
> just bureaucracy added on by the current situation, it''s a barrier
to
> entry and a hassle.  Don''t misunderstand, the work gone into them
IS
> appreciated, but it''s just another *groan*.
>
> And I find it hard to believe that the only reason for an internal
> canonical repo was lack of external CI.. that''s not
what''s being
> implied, is it?
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Tomas Matousek
> <Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Is there anybody who decided not to submit a patch based upon the
> limitations/requirements of the current process and who would contribute
> otherwise?
> > Is anybody willing to run a continuous integration server that guards
the
> repo from erroneous patches? A canonical repo needs to have such a
> gatekeeper. Our internal SNAP system has provided this functionality for
the
> internal TFS repo.
> >
> > BTW, "Sync to TFS" was an artifact of lack of automated sync
tool. We now
> have that tool, thanks to Jim, so you should see less of these. Code review
> emails has been sent for most of the changes that were made to Ruby repo
> anyways. So if you watched the mailing list you could easily track
what''s
> going on. Only comments to changesets that included some internal
> infrastructure changes weren''t sent to the mailing list.
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of William Green
> > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:36 PM
> > To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] "Start spreading the news"
> >
> > I agree with Michael here. As long as the canonical source for
IronRuby
> lives in TFS behind the big blue firewall, with only MSFT employees as core
> committers, there is a problem.
> >
> > What I propose is that we, as a community, designate the github repo
as
> the canonical one, and that whoever controls it opens up commit access
> beyond the MSFT core team, perhaps to those that have already had accepted
> contribution. (this may already be in place, I don''t
> > know)
> >
> > Bottom line is that MSFT has decided they no longer desire to invest
in
> the project. If we want IronRuby, we''re going to have to make it
happen, on
> our own.
> >
> > --
> > Will Green
> > http://hotgazpacho.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Michael Letterle <michael.letterle at
gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> If Microsoft was simply sponsoring development and putting its
stamp
> >> on it, it wouldn''t be a problem.. but the fact that MS
"owns" it IS a
> >> bottleneck, as been from the start.  "Sync to TFS"
commits make me
> >> cringe everytime I see them.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jim Deville <jdeville at
microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> >>> I guess I never really sent the mail that I meant to send
about my
> >>> progression.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Similar to Jimmy, I?ve also made the incredibly hard decision
to move
> >>> on as well. I?ve been working on the JavaScript team now for
about 2
> >>> weeks. I?ve made this decision for many of the same reasons as
Jimmy,
> >>> but for various personal reasons, I decided to remain with MS
instead
> >>> of leaving. I will still be working with IronRuby, it just
won?t be
> >>> my primary function anymore.  I also had a wonderful time on
the
> >>> team, and I will really miss working directly with them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree that IronRuby is not a big community, but I don?t know
that
> >>> it is a problem unless we let it be one J. I also feel that MS
owning
> >>> the code isn?t a problem. It?s not like it really benefits
anyone
> >>> inside of MS, it benefits us, the users J. It also benefits
the Ruby
> >>> community at large if we continue to make IronRuby a great
product
> >>> that people want to use in their .NET applications, because it
shows
> >>> people Ruby J
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I understand that this is sad, and for some, expected L, but I
hope
> >>> that people still continue doing the awesome things people
have been
> >>> doing J
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> JD
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org
> >>> [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Orion
> >>> Edwards
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:43 PM
> >>>
> >>> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> >>> Subject: [Ironruby-core] "Start spreading the news"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I''m sure most of you have seen this already, but I
hadn''t seen
> >>> Jimmy''s "farewell Microsoft" blog post
posted to the list, so here it
> >>> is if anyone hasn''t read it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/08/start-spreading-news-future-o
> >>> f-jimmy.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I''d like to thank Jimmy for his work thus far on
IronRuby, and
> >>> certainly wish you the best of luck at your new job and living
in
> >>> NYC. From that point of view, it''s happy days.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The news about Microsoft''s internal handling of
IronRuby however
> >>> makes me rather sad, and frankly a bit worried about the
future of
> >>> IronRuby in general. If there''s now only 2 part-time
developers
> >>> working on IR inside Microsoft, and they''ve been told
not to develop
> >>> any new features, then where does that leave us?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While IronRuby is open source (yay), It unfortunately
hasn''t seem to
> >>> have become quite big enough (unlike JRuby) to be self
sustaining.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I personally also perceive somewhat of a problem, in that
(again,
> >>> unlike with JRuby) Microsoft "owns" IronRuby. Last I
knew, committers
> >>> still had to sign a copyright assignment form to MS, and MS
controls
> >>> all the repositories and other assorted stuff. (AFAIK Charles
has
> >>> personally controlled all the JRuby repos since day one and
still
> does).
> >>>
> >>> This provides a LARGE (to me at least) disincentive to
contribute to
> >>> IronRuby in the future. Because MS owns IronRuby, I feel like
if I
> >>> were to commit code, it would not be for the benefit of a nice
> >>> friendly community-driven open source group, it would be for
the
> >>> benefit of Microsoft Corporation.
> >>>
> >>> I was happy to accept this when MS were putting a lot of work
into
> >>> IronRuby, but now that they''re not, my feeling is
"So Microsoft have
> >>> bailed and left us hanging, why on earth would I want to do
work on
> >>> their behalf after they''ve just done that?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At any rate, I''ve not committed any code to IronRuby
(I''ve come close
> >>> several times, but never just had the time) so my opinion is
largely
> >>> irrelevant, I just hope that other potential committers with
more
> >>> time and skill than I don''t end up feeling this way
too :-(
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Letterle
> >> IronRuby MVP
> >> http://blog.prokrams.com
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>
>
> --
> Michael Letterle
> IronRuby MVP
> http://blog.prokrams.com
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