* Tyler Montney:> I'm getting the feeling that people don't have an MFA implementation.Probably because it can be complex to set up and maintain, and more would be gained by educating users and in particular by users actually giving a damn about password-discipline and -quality. On a tangent: I personally find your style of quoting a bit irritating, especially because you leave the whole original message intact. Why not quote in a manner we have successfully used for a couple of decades? Thanks! -Ralph
> Probably because it can be complex to set up and maintainSuch is mail and many other things, which falls on the admins. I see no harm in exploring what's what before deciding.> and more would be gained by educating usersYes, users are the weakest link. Users are also the biggest challenge. Making them use 2FA on their phone? Easy. Retraining them to think more like me? Very difficult (assuming you get management buy-in). Again, I'm trying to explore deploying an all "bells and whistles" mail stack that can cater to both an enthusiast environment (like myself) and one in a commercial/enterprise environment. Not having 2FA like I could get from cloud offerings may be a deal breaker for me.> I personally find your style of quoting a bit irritating, especiallybecause you leave the whole original message intac Gmail loves hiding the previous text with an ellipsis, making me not realize.> Why not quote in a manner we have successfully used for a couple ofdecades? I've just recently started using mailing lists, so replying is still a bit awkward to me. (Probably be easier if we'd use forums.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20211115/d845cc9d/attachment.htm>
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 02:14:31PM -0600, Tyler Montney wrote:> I've just recently started using mailing lists, so replying is still a bit > awkward to me. (Probably be easier if we'd use forums.)Forums are a mixed bag. Some love them, some hate them. I previously ran a forum for LedgerSMB. It had some usage, but people mostly preferred the mailing lists. I was also running an add-on by the forum author that allowed posting incoming emails to boards. I never setup an outgoing to the mailing list. I wanted to. No time. However, reading and searching emails from a mailing list in a forum is *nice*. Really nice. You can see the entire thread at once. If any mailing list I'm part of wants to do a read-only posting of email only messages like that, I would put up a forum for that only, for free. I would only make something like that public if the mailing list owners wanted it done. ----------------- As far as 2FA over a phone, I hate it. When traveling, my phone only works in USA, Canada and Mexico. If I were in Guatemala, I'd have no access to my DNS server company. Ugh! -- Chris Bennett