[CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Christopher Wensink
Fri, 18 Dec 2020 16:36:12 -0000

Johnny,

You have been involved in CentOS for a long time.? Would you mind
explaining the structure here.? Do you work for Red hat full time on the
CentOS team?? How many people are on that Team that were working on
CentOS?? Is CentOS structured as a non-profit company with staff just
working on development of this distribution or is this just a group of
independent developers working on the same project?? How many people are
working on active development of on the Red hat team / CentOS
Organization (if any)?

Thanks for your time.

Chris


On 12/18/2020 10:28 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
>> On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes <johnny at
centos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $250K is not even close.  That is one employee, when you
also take into
>>>>> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc.
now multiply
>>>>> that by 8.  Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home
.. all over
>>>>> the world, different countries, different laws.
>>>> I'm genuinely curious about something, and this is mostly
academic
>>>> since it's probably the subject of proprietary discussions
within
>>>> RedHat.  Presumably, RedHat had a build pipeline for RHEL that
worked
>>>> well for them, by supplying alpha/beta releases of point
releases to
>>>> their customers and giving them time to "cook" before
releasing those
>>>> point releases into production.  Why would RedHat invest
millions more
>>>> in buying the CentOS process just to have CentOS act as the
beta?
>>> Why did they change the development process of RHEL ..
>>>
>>> Because they want to do the development in the community.  The
current
>>> process of RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open.
It is
>>> that simple.
>>>
>>> I think Stream is also very usable as a distro.  I think it will be
just
>>> as usable as CentOS Linux is now.
>> It's usable, as Fedora is certainly usable - in its separate use
cases.
>> It's not bug-for-bug copy of current RHEL, so it's *not* as
usable as
>> CentOS Linux was.
>>
>>> It is not a beta .. I keep saying that.  Before a .0 release (the
main,
>>> or first, main reelase) is a beta.  Point releases do not really
need
>>> betas .. certainly not open to anyone other than customers.  Now
CentOS
>>> Stream is available all the time to everyone, customer or not.
Once the
>>> full infrastructure is in place, everyone (not just RHEL customers)
can
>>> provide feed back and bugs, do pull requests, etc.
>> Now please tell me whether Chris Wright was lying when saying the below
>> to ZDNet:
>>
>> "To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform
for
>> ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day. This is
>> not a production operating system. It's purely a developer's
distro."
>>
>> It's purely a developer's distro. Shall I explain difference
between a
>> developer's distro and the one suitable for production servers (a
>> rhetoric question)?
>>
> Of course he wasn't lying.  The purpose of ANY CentOS release from a
Red
> Hat perspective, is as a developer release.  Red Hat has never produced
> CentOS to be used in production for any reason.
>
> It is ALSO completely free to use however YOU want to use it.  As is
> CentOS Stream.  If it meets your requirements, you can use it.  Stream
> is no different.
>
> People who certify things, who certified CentOS Linux for things, are
> free to evaluate and do that with CentOS Stream as well.
>
> Is it ever going to be like it was before .. no.  If that is a deal
> breaker for you, OK.  Then you can't use CentOS any longer.  Great, if
> you can't use it, then use something else.
>
> All I can do is what I can do .. All you can do is what you can do.
> What is absolutely not helpful is continued complaining.  A decision
> was made. It is implemented. CentOS Stream is CentOS Stream.
>
> If you never want to use CentOS again .. great, don't use it.  I
can't
> make people use CentOS if they don't want to.
>
> What I will do is what I have been doing for the last 17 years .. I will
> do the best job I can to make the things I can build for any version of
> CentOS Linux (or Stream) the best they can be.  If people can use them,
> OK.  If they can't OK.
>
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