[CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Johnny Hughes
Fri, 18 Dec 2020 16:28:59 -0000

On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
wrote:
> On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes <johnny at
centos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $250K is not even close.  That is one employee, when you also
take into
>>>> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc.  now
multiply
>>>> that by 8.  Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home ..
all over
>>>> the world, different countries, different laws.
>>>
>>> I'm genuinely curious about something, and this is mostly
academic
>>> since it's probably the subject of proprietary discussions
within
>>> RedHat.  Presumably, RedHat had a build pipeline for RHEL that
worked
>>> well for them, by supplying alpha/beta releases of point releases
to
>>> their customers and giving them time to "cook" before
releasing those
>>> point releases into production.  Why would RedHat invest millions
more
>>> in buying the CentOS process just to have CentOS act as the beta?
>>
>> Why did they change the development process of RHEL ..
>>
>> Because they want to do the development in the community.  The current
>> process of RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open.  It
is
>> that simple.
>>
>> I think Stream is also very usable as a distro.  I think it will be
just
>> as usable as CentOS Linux is now.
>
> It's usable, as Fedora is certainly usable - in its separate use cases.
> It's not bug-for-bug copy of current RHEL, so it's *not* as usable
as
> CentOS Linux was.
>
>> It is not a beta .. I keep saying that.  Before a .0 release (the main,
>> or first, main reelase) is a beta.  Point releases do not really need
>> betas .. certainly not open to anyone other than customers.  Now CentOS
>> Stream is available all the time to everyone, customer or not.  Once
the
>> full infrastructure is in place, everyone (not just RHEL customers) can
>> provide feed back and bugs, do pull requests, etc.
>
> Now please tell me whether Chris Wright was lying when saying the below
> to ZDNet:
>
> "To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for
> ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day. This is
> not a production operating system. It's purely a developer's
distro."
>
> It's purely a developer's distro. Shall I explain difference
between a
> developer's distro and the one suitable for production servers (a
> rhetoric question)?
>

Of course he wasn't lying.  The purpose of ANY CentOS release from a Red
Hat perspective, is as a developer release.  Red Hat has never produced
CentOS to be used in production for any reason.

It is ALSO completely free to use however YOU want to use it.  As is
CentOS Stream.  If it meets your requirements, you can use it.  Stream
is no different.

People who certify things, who certified CentOS Linux for things, are
free to evaluate and do that with CentOS Stream as well.

Is it ever going to be like it was before .. no.  If that is a deal
breaker for you, OK.  Then you can't use CentOS any longer.  Great, if
you can't use it, then use something else.

All I can do is what I can do .. All you can do is what you can do.
What is absolutely not helpful is continued complaining.  A decision
was made. It is implemented. CentOS Stream is CentOS Stream.

If you never want to use CentOS again .. great, don't use it.  I can't
make people use CentOS if they don't want to.

What I will do is what I have been doing for the last 17 years .. I will
do the best job I can to make the things I can build for any version of
CentOS Linux (or Stream) the best they can be.  If people can use them,
OK.  If they can't OK.