Kees van Vloten
2024-Oct-27 14:37 UTC
[Samba] How to set `unicodePwd`? "it's not allowed to set the NT hash password directly"
Op 27-10-2024 om 15:31 schreef Rowland Penny via samba:> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:08:14 +0100 > William Edwards <wedwards at cyberfusion.nl> wrote: > >>> Op 27 okt 2024 om 14:50 heeft Rowland Penny via samba >>> <samba at lists.samba.org> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> ?On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 13:58:56 +0100 >>> William David Edwards via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm tying to set user's LDAP passwords using LDAP. >>>> >>>> `samba-tool user setpassword` does so by setting the write-only >>>> `unicodePwd` attribute, but turning it into binary and >>>> Base64-encoding it first: >>>> >>>> ``` >>>> if not isinstance(password, str): >>>> pw = password.decode('utf-8') >>>> else: >>>> pw = password >>>> pw = ('"' + pw + '"').encode('utf-16-le') >>>> >>>> setpw = """ >>>> dn: %s >>>> changetype: modify >>>> replace: unicodePwd >>>> unicodePwd:: %s >>>> """ % (user_dn, base64.b64encode(pw).decode('utf-8')) >>>> ``` >>>> >>>> When doing the same, Samba returns: >>>> >>>> 00002035: setup_io: it's not allowed to set the NT hash >>>> password directly' Code: 0x35 >>>> >>>> This happens both when 1) passing `unicodePwd` during entry >>>> creation, and 2) when modifying it for an existing entry (like >>>> `samba-tool` does). >>>> >>>> This is the (Wireshark-interpreted) `ModifyRequest`: >>>> >>>> ``` >>>> Lightweight Directory Access Protocol >>>> LDAPMessage modifyRequest(3) >>>> "CN=williamedwards1730031523476,CN=Users,DC=ldaptest,DC=nl" >>>> messageID: 3 >>>> protocolOp: modifyRequest (6) >>>> modifyRequest >>>> object: >>>> CN=williamedwards1730031523476,CN=Users,DC=ldaptest,DC=nl >>>> modification: 1 item >>>> modification item >>>> operation: replace (2) >>>> modification unicodePwd >>>> type: unicodePwd >>>> vals: 1 item >>>> AttributeValue: >>>> IgARADwACAAiAHwATwBZAFAAdAB0AGQARQBKAE8AawBVAHoAfwBqAFwANAAtAGYAXAA4ADoADgBcAEsAKwBGAFoAIgA>>>> ``` >>>> >>>> (The Base64-encoded password was randomly generated.) >>>> >>>> The use of the word 'directly' in "Not allowed to [...] directly" >>>> could be interpreted as: changing `unicodePwd` non-locally is >>>> disallowed (although Samba can't detect that), and that is indeed >>>> not the case: LDAP Account Manager >>>> (https://ldap-account-manager.org/lamcms/) uses the same approach >>>> of modifying `unicodePwd`, which works on the same DC. >>>> >>>> Looking this error up, it seems like it can be caused by simply >>>> passing an incorrectly formatted password: >>>> >>>> - https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2015-December/196890.html >>>> - >>>> https://lsc-users.lsc-project.narkive.com/3Ltw5zOZ/pushing-a-password-to-samba-4#post1 >>>> >>>> ... but as I'm using the code from `samba-tool`, I don't consider >>>> that to be likely. >>>> >>>> Finally, I tried passing a plaintext string, hoping Samba would do >>>> the transformation to binary + Base64 itself (although neither >>>> `samba-tool` nor LAM do so). As expected, that changes nothing. >>>> >>>> What am I doing wrong or misunderstanding here? >>> You are missing that to change an active directory password over >>> ldap, you don't use ldap, you use ldaps. >> That?s not the issue, just tested LDAPS. I?m using LDAP for debugging >> purposes (no need for a MITM to look at the payload). >>Did you enable password change via ldap? : samba-tool forest directory_service dsheuristics '000000001' - Kees.> Try reading this: > > https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/active-directory/change-windows-active-directory-user-password > > Rowland >
William David Edwards
2024-Oct-27 18:58 UTC
[Samba] How to set `unicodePwd`? "it's not allowed to set the NT hash password directly"
Kees van Vloten via samba schreef op 2024-10-27 15:37:> Op 27-10-2024 om 15:31 schreef Rowland Penny via samba: >> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:08:14 +0100 >> William Edwards <wedwards at cyberfusion.nl> wrote: >> >>>> Op 27 okt 2024 om 14:50 heeft Rowland Penny via samba >>>> <samba at lists.samba.org> het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>> ?On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 13:58:56 +0100 >>>> William David Edwards via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I'm tying to set user's LDAP passwords using LDAP. >>>>> >>>>> `samba-tool user setpassword` does so by setting the write-only >>>>> `unicodePwd` attribute, but turning it into binary and >>>>> Base64-encoding it first: >>>>> >>>>> ``` >>>>> if not isinstance(password, str): >>>>> pw = password.decode('utf-8') >>>>> else: >>>>> pw = password >>>>> pw = ('"' + pw + '"').encode('utf-16-le') >>>>> >>>>> setpw = """ >>>>> dn: %s >>>>> changetype: modify >>>>> replace: unicodePwd >>>>> unicodePwd:: %s >>>>> """ % (user_dn, base64.b64encode(pw).decode('utf-8')) >>>>> ``` >>>>> >>>>> When doing the same, Samba returns: >>>>> >>>>> 00002035: setup_io: it's not allowed to set the NT hash >>>>> password directly' Code: 0x35 >>>>> >>>>> This happens both when 1) passing `unicodePwd` during entry >>>>> creation, and 2) when modifying it for an existing entry (like >>>>> `samba-tool` does). >>>>> >>>>> This is the (Wireshark-interpreted) `ModifyRequest`: >>>>> >>>>> ``` >>>>> Lightweight Directory Access Protocol >>>>> LDAPMessage modifyRequest(3) >>>>> "CN=williamedwards1730031523476,CN=Users,DC=ldaptest,DC=nl" >>>>> messageID: 3 >>>>> protocolOp: modifyRequest (6) >>>>> modifyRequest >>>>> object: >>>>> CN=williamedwards1730031523476,CN=Users,DC=ldaptest,DC=nl >>>>> modification: 1 item >>>>> modification item >>>>> operation: replace (2) >>>>> modification unicodePwd >>>>> type: unicodePwd >>>>> vals: 1 item >>>>> AttributeValue: >>>>> IgARADwACAAiAHwATwBZAFAAdAB0AGQARQBKAE8AawBVAHoAfwBqAFwANAAtAGYAXAA4ADoADgBcAEsAKwBGAFoAIgA>>>>> ``` >>>>> >>>>> (The Base64-encoded password was randomly generated.) >>>>> >>>>> The use of the word 'directly' in "Not allowed to [...] directly" >>>>> could be interpreted as: changing `unicodePwd` non-locally is >>>>> disallowed (although Samba can't detect that), and that is indeed >>>>> not the case: LDAP Account Manager >>>>> (https://ldap-account-manager.org/lamcms/) uses the same approach >>>>> of modifying `unicodePwd`, which works on the same DC. >>>>> >>>>> Looking this error up, it seems like it can be caused by simply >>>>> passing an incorrectly formatted password: >>>>> >>>>> - https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2015-December/196890.html >>>>> - >>>>> https://lsc-users.lsc-project.narkive.com/3Ltw5zOZ/pushing-a-password-to-samba-4#post1 >>>>> >>>>> ... but as I'm using the code from `samba-tool`, I don't consider >>>>> that to be likely. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, I tried passing a plaintext string, hoping Samba would do >>>>> the transformation to binary + Base64 itself (although neither >>>>> `samba-tool` nor LAM do so). As expected, that changes nothing. >>>>> >>>>> What am I doing wrong or misunderstanding here? >>>> You are missing that to change an active directory password over >>>> ldap, you don't use ldap, you use ldaps. >>> That?s not the issue, just tested LDAPS. I?m using LDAP for debugging >>> purposes (no need for a MITM to look at the payload). >>> > Did you enable password change via ldap? : > > samba-tool forest directory_service dsheuristics '000000001'According to https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-adts/e5899be4-862e-496f-9a38-33950617d2c5, a dSHeuristic is required only for changing passwords over unencrypted LDAP (`fAllowPasswordOperationsOverNonSecureConnection`). As mentioned, modifying `unicodePwd` does not work over LDAPS either in my specific case, so a heuristic should not be needed. Also, changing passwords the same way *does* work from samba-tool and LAM.> > - Kees. > > >> Try reading this: >> >> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/active-directory/change-windows-active-directory-user-password >> >> Rowland >>Met vriendelijke groeten, William David Edwards
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