At Fri, 6 Jan 2023 08:39:22 +0100 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> wrote:> > Hi > > > I have found a: > > > > HPE 873830-S01 ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 > > > > for <$300 without drives.???? If I can believe the seller, it has a AMD > > Opteron X3216 Dual-core (2 Core) 1.6GHz and 8GB Installed. > > > > It has 4 3.5" bays. and 1? "Media" bay? > > > > https://www.servertechsupply.com/873830-s01/ > > > > this could well be acceptable.???? Got to find out power draw.???? Looks like > > ~40W. > > > > Any input on issues of OS install????? Do I go with separate OS and data > > RAID1 sets? > > I usually do > > [ 1(+n) RAID1 ]->[ LVM ]->[ XFS ] > > then you can use LVM to manage different filesystems as required. > > /boot and/or /boot/efi should be on its own RAID1 with old metadata > version but I'm not up to date about how the situation is exactly with > EL9.It depends on the version of Grub. Grub V1 needs /boot to be RAID1 with old metadata (metadata at the *end* of the partition, so Grub just sees a plain ext2/3/4 file system to find vmlinuz and initrd). Note: /boot/efi or the grub fs that Grub2 seems to want cannot be RAID, but you should duplicate the partitions across all of the physical disks in the raid set and arange some other way of "mirroring" them (eg rsync or some such -- does not need to be continious, since these file systems don't change continuiously). I believe Grub V2 understands raid and LVM, so having a separate /boot raid set might not be needed. Things like /boot/efi and grub's on fs still need to exist outside of the raid set and will need "manual" mirroring.> > Simon > > > > > Also HPE is ClearOS.???? I ran ClearOS6 for years before going with QNAP > > turnkey.???? Perhaps current ClearOS is better, but it does not handle > > multi-domain email as I need.???? Or it did not.???? So I am going to install > > my own CentOS variant and iRedMail... > > > > thanks > > > > > > On 1/5/23 13:08, Jon LaBadie wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2023 at 08:18:08AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>> Proliant gen8 does NOT have UEFI. > >>> > >>> So I think this means I better move up to the gen10... > >>> > >> > >> I'm pleased with my Gen 10+ (Plus).???? Pricer than I thought > >> you want. > >> > >> I like the "no power supply", just an external brick. > >> Quiet.???? I put in a PCI card to use 2 NVMe sticks, one for > >> system and one for /home.???? You can also boot from an internal > >> usb port like a thumb drive permanently installed. > >> > >> Carriers for 2.5inch SSD drives work fine so with few fans, > >> no drive motors, could be quite low power. > >> > >> Mine acts as email server, local caching DNS server (dnsmasq) > >> and Amanda backup server. > >> > >> Jon > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS at centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > >-- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
Well I just ordered a Proliant gen10+ microserver, as the gen10 of for 1/2 the price was the $0.59 hamburger (we ad it, but you can't order it). I also ordered 4 Seagate 4T terascale drives (seems nothing smaller around). So in some 2 weeks I will have it all together and will see what happens when I do the install. :) Supposedly there is an internal boot usb port in the gen10+ On 1/6/23 09:42, Robert Heller wrote:> At Fri, 6 Jan 2023 08:39:22 +0100 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >>> I have found a: >>> >>> HPE 873830-S01 ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 >>> >>> for <$300 without drives.???? If I can believe the seller, it has a AMD >>> Opteron X3216 Dual-core (2 Core) 1.6GHz and 8GB Installed. >>> >>> It has 4 3.5" bays. and 1? "Media" bay? >>> >>> https://www.servertechsupply.com/873830-s01/ >>> >>> this could well be acceptable.???? Got to find out power draw.???? Looks like >>> ~40W. >>> >>> Any input on issues of OS install????? Do I go with separate OS and data >>> RAID1 sets? >> I usually do >> >> [ 1(+n) RAID1 ]->[ LVM ]->[ XFS ] >> >> then you can use LVM to manage different filesystems as required. >> >> /boot and/or /boot/efi should be on its own RAID1 with old metadata >> version but I'm not up to date about how the situation is exactly with >> EL9. > It depends on the version of Grub. Grub V1 needs /boot to be RAID1 with old > metadata (metadata at the *end* of the partition, so Grub just sees a plain > ext2/3/4 file system to find vmlinuz and initrd). Note: /boot/efi or the grub > fs that Grub2 seems to want cannot be RAID, but you should duplicate the > partitions across all of the physical disks in the raid set and arange some > other way of "mirroring" them (eg rsync or some such -- does not need to be > continious, since these file systems don't change continuiously). I believe > Grub V2 understands raid and LVM, so having a separate /boot raid set might > not be needed. Things like /boot/efi and grub's on fs still need to exist > outside of the raid set and will need "manual" mirroring. > >> Simon >> >>> Also HPE is ClearOS.???? I ran ClearOS6 for years before going with QNAP >>> turnkey.???? Perhaps current ClearOS is better, but it does not handle >>> multi-domain email as I need.???? Or it did not.???? So I am going to install >>> my own CentOS variant and iRedMail... >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> >>> On 1/5/23 13:08, Jon LaBadie wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2023 at 08:18:08AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>> Proliant gen8 does NOT have UEFI. >>>>> >>>>> So I think this means I better move up to the gen10... >>>>> >>>> I'm pleased with my Gen 10+ (Plus).???? Pricer than I thought >>>> you want. >>>> >>>> I like the "no power supply", just an external brick. >>>> Quiet.???? I put in a PCI card to use 2 NVMe sticks, one for >>>> system and one for /home.???? You can also boot from an internal >>>> usb port like a thumb drive permanently installed. >>>> >>>> Carriers for 2.5inch SSD drives work fine so with few fans, >>>> no drive motors, could be quite low power. >>>> >>>> Mine acts as email server, local caching DNS server (dnsmasq) >>>> and Amanda backup server. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS at centos.org >>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
> At Fri, 6 Jan 2023 08:39:22 +0100 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> > wrote: > >> >> Hi >> >> > I have found a: >> > >> > HPE 873830-S01 ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 >> > >> > for <$300 without drives.'?''?''?'? If I can believe the seller, it >> has a AMD >> > Opteron X3216 Dual-core (2 Core) 1.6GHz and 8GB Installed. >> > >> > It has 4 3.5" bays. and 1? "Media" bay? >> > >> > https://www.servertechsupply.com/873830-s01/ >> > >> > this could well be acceptable.'?''?''?'? Got to find out power >> draw.'?''?''?'? Looks like >> > ~40W. >> > >> > Any input on issues of OS install?'?''?''?'? Do I go with separate OS >> and data >> > RAID1 sets? >> >> I usually do >> >> [ 1(+n) RAID1 ]->[ LVM ]->[ XFS ] >> >> then you can use LVM to manage different filesystems as required. >> >> /boot and/or /boot/efi should be on its own RAID1 with old metadata >> version but I'm not up to date about how the situation is exactly with >> EL9. > > It depends on the version of Grub. Grub V1 needs /boot to be RAID1 with > old > metadata (metadata at the *end* of the partition, so Grub just sees a > plain > ext2/3/4 file system to find vmlinuz and initrd). Note: /boot/efi or the > grub > fs that Grub2 seems to want cannot be RAID, but you should duplicate the > partitions across all of the physical disks in the raid set and arange > some > other way of "mirroring" them (eg rsync or some such -- does not need to > be > continious, since these file systems don't change continuiously). I > believe > Grub V2 understands raid and LVM, so having a separate /boot raid set > might > not be needed. Things like /boot/efi and grub's on fs still need to exist > outside of the raid set and will need "manual" mirroring.Are you sure that's still true? I've done it that way in the past but it seems at least with EL8 you can put /boot/efi on md raid1 with metadata format 1.0. That way the EFI firmware will see it as two independent FAT filesystems. Only thing you have to be sure is that nothing ever writes to these filesystems when Linux is not running, otherwise your /boot/efi md raid will become corrupt. Can someone who has this running confirm that it works? Thanks, Simon> >> >> Simon >> >> > >> > Also HPE is ClearOS.'?''?''?'? I ran ClearOS6 for years before going >> with QNAP >> > turnkey.'?''?''?'? Perhaps current ClearOS is better, but it does not >> handle >> > multi-domain email as I need.'?''?''?'? Or it did not.'?''?''?'? So I >> am going to install >> > my own CentOS variant and iRedMail... >> > >> > thanks >> > >> > >> > On 1/5/23 13:08, Jon LaBadie wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2023 at 08:18:08AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> >>> Proliant gen8 does NOT have UEFI. >> >>> >> >>> So I think this means I better move up to the gen10... >> >>> >> >> >> >> I'm pleased with my Gen 10+ (Plus).'?''?''?'? Pricer than I thought >> >> you want. >> >> >> >> I like the "no power supply", just an external brick. >> >> Quiet.'?''?''?'? I put in a PCI card to use 2 NVMe sticks, one for >> >> system and one for /home.'?''?''?'? You can also boot from an >> internal >> >> usb port like a thumb drive permanently installed. >> >> >> >> Carriers for 2.5inch SSD drives work fine so with few fans, >> >> no drive motors, could be quite low power. >> >> >> >> Mine acts as email server, local caching DNS server (dnsmasq) >> >> and Amanda backup server. >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CentOS mailing list >> > CentOS at centos.org >> > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> >> > > -- > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >