James Szinger
2020-Dec-14 15:00 UTC
[CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:15:52 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs <info at microlinux.fr> wrote:> Le 11/12/2020 ? 02:25, Gordon Messmer a ?crit?: > > Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going > > to make CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for > > the same reasons that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat > > Linux was. > > Using Fedora on production servers is like climbing without a rope. > > It's possible. I've even seen some folks do it.Since the release of CentOS 8, I have been moving my stuff over to Fedora. The combination of modularity and missing -devel packages make developing and building software on EL8 impractical. As a result, EL8 is poor choice for deploying custom software. Fedora has other advantages. 1. More changes. Bugs are likely to be addressed sooner and I find addressing small changes one at a time is more manageable than many big changes all at once. Having a good test suite helps. Our sysadmin at work spent most of 2020 doing the upgrade from CentOS 6 to 8. I like to think there were better uses of his time. 2. More software. Fedora packages much more software than CentOS. Even adding in EPEL leaves a big gap and EPEL is Fedora, not RHEL. I spend less time building dependencies and more time adding value. 3. Easy licensing. Fedora may be used anywhere for anything. We have a RHEL license at work, but I don?t use it because I do not want the headache of tracking where and how it is deployed. I?ve wasted too many days fighting licensing and compliance issues to want to ever do it again. It is huge advantage for Free Software. Your needs may differ, but it is not an insane choice, so please stop insulting us. Jim P.S. It seems to me that compared to Fedora, Stream has the disadvantages of RHEL but not the advantages. It?s not clear to me how Stream will be an improvement.
Scott Robbins
2020-Dec-14 15:37 UTC
[CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:00:24AM -0700, James Szinger wrote:> > > > Using Fedora on production servers is like climbing without a rope. > > > > It's possible. I've even seen some folks do it. > > Since the release of CentOS 8, I have been moving my stuff over to > Fedora. The combination of modularity and missing -devel packages > make developing and building software on EL8 impractical. As a > result, EL8 is poor choice for deploying custom software. >While I don't use Fedora as a production server, I will say that ever since Adam Williamson joined them, the QA has been quite good. I used to worry about an update breaking things. Now I use it as my go to Linux on laptops, and have successfully upgraded, using their instructions for CLI updates, with no problems. I do use openbox and dwm (which I install from source) rather than Gnome, which might have something to do with my painless updates. Not to say it's a good server OS (though not saying it isn't, I don't have enough knowledge of it in that situation to say), but it's not the always on the edge of breaking that it used to be. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6