On 4/27/21 9:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:> > > On 4/27/21 8:55 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: >> On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 09:36 -0400, Carlos Oliva wrote: >>> Thank you for your response Rich. I have heard that Stream is beta >>> releases of RH -- rather distressing. Is this a proper characterization? >>> >> You heard wrong. >> >> Stream is effectively a rolling early release of the next point release >> of RHEL. The packages in stream are fully tested and have gone through >> QA.? They are not beta releases. >> > > With all due respect, - and avoiding the names to not scratch against > "release,..." definitions, he is more correct in his feelings (that what > you say) which I would formulate as "stream users are sort of Guinea > pigs for RedHat releases". > > And mind that I have no emotions about it as my servers are FreeBSD for > over a decade. And new number crunchers and workstations going Debian > since CentOS ceased to be RedHat Enterprise binary replica was such a > minor change... > > Just my $0.02. > > Valeri > >> The disadvantage of Stream is that it doesn't have the full 10 year >> support of RHEL and doesn't have the full binary compatibility to RHEL. >>You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find many differences between RHEL 8.2 and RHEL 8.3, for example. Are there some differences? Sure. If people don't want stream, then by all means , use something else. CentOS 7 Linux will be around until the RHEL 7 EOL .. CentOS 8 Linux will be around until 31 Dec 2021 and CentOS Stream will be around for % years after the RHEL 8 Release. CentOS Stream 9 will be around until for 5 years after the RHEL 9 release. It is what it is .. all the negative comments are not going to change it. For people who can not accept this and live with it .. life is too short for so much negative emotions. Go places and use things that make you happy.
On 4/27/21 10:32 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:> On 4/27/21 9:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> On 4/27/21 8:55 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: >>> On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 09:36 -0400, Carlos Oliva wrote: >>>> Thank you for your response Rich. I have heard that Stream is beta >>>> releases of RH -- rather distressing. Is this a proper characterization? >>>> >>> You heard wrong. >>> >>> Stream is effectively a rolling early release of the next point release >>> of RHEL. The packages in stream are fully tested and have gone through >>> QA.? They are not beta releases. >>> >> >> With all due respect, - and avoiding the names to not scratch against >> "release,..." definitions, he is more correct in his feelings (that what >> you say) which I would formulate as "stream users are sort of Guinea >> pigs for RedHat releases". >> >> And mind that I have no emotions about it as my servers are FreeBSD for >> over a decade. And new number crunchers and workstations going Debian >> since CentOS ceased to be RedHat Enterprise binary replica was such a >> minor change... >> >> Just my $0.02. >> >> Valeri >> >>> The disadvantage of Stream is that it doesn't have the full 10 year >>> support of RHEL and doesn't have the full binary compatibility to RHEL. >>> > > You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between > Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find > many differences between RHEL 8.2 and RHEL 8.3, for example. > > Are there some differences? Sure. > > If people don't want stream, then by all means , use something else. > > CentOS 7 Linux will be around until the RHEL 7 EOL .. CentOS 8 Linux > will be around until 31 Dec 2021 and CentOS Stream will be around for % > years after the RHEL 8 Release. CentOS Stream 9 will be around until > for 5 years after the RHEL 9 release. >Thanks Johnny for calmly stating what is what. This exactly is where all statements about CentOS should end.> It is what it is .. all the negative comments are not going to change it. >My comment was just to balance Pete's as the truth between Pete's statement and Carlos feelings is where I'm sure my comment pointed... No negative intended, just stating of the facts as they are perceived by some (many? - not many if to discount these who fled totally). And as always: thank you personally and the whole CentOS team, everyone who worked on this project during last two decades to make it as great as we know and used it - as "binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux". Your effort can not be overestimated, as well as the way to say it: a "binary replica of RedHat Enterprise Linux" was always quenching any doubts in everyone I had to talk to - both technical people and non-technical ones. (Not anymore, sigh). Valeri> For people who can not accept this and live with it .. life is too short > for so much negative emotions. Go places and use things that make you > happy. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:32, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: > > You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between > Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find > many differences between RHEL 8.2 and RHEL 8.3, for example. > > Are there some differences? Sure. > > If people don't want stream, then by all means , use something else.This is true within the narrow scope of just CentOS/RHEL, but if, for example, you rely on ELrepo for kmods for hardware that Red Hat dropped support for, you?ll be sadly unable to use those kmods on Stream (elrepo isn?t supporting Stream[1]). There will also be inconsistencies with other third party repos and commercial software that focus exclusively on RHEL when Stream gets major version bumps ahead of RHEL. Certainly it will be an opportunity for those vendors to get their product working on Stream, so they?ll be prepared for the next RHEL release. But this is why people are calling it a beta test for RHEL. Yes, Steam running with only their core repos and software from within CentOS is tested and QA?d. But if you want to use Stream in a larger software context, be prepared for missing support and unexpected breakages. The only use I will consider Stream for will be as a test for upcoming RHEL releases, not as something I will ever want actual users to touch. (And maybe that?s ok) 1. http://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2021/01/elrepo-and-centos-stream.html?m=1 -- Jonathan Billings