CentOS - Dec 2020 - https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat 
Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a 
current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end 
at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as 
the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 
7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of 
the RHEL 7 life cycle. 
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates

CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next 
version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL. 
And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux 
distribution ecosystem.

When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will 
be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS 
Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. 
If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you 
to contact Red Hat about options.

We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your 
information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of 
project focus might affect you.

[See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. 
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS mailing list
> CentOS at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Wow, major shift in philosophy, thanks for all the hard work over the years
but if I wanted to be a beta tester there are many distributions that will
serve that purpose, real shame.

The king is dead, long live the king!

This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.

Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember
that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast
majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep our
systems that have been using CentOS for many, many years running and our
procedures for installing, and patching systems working after whatever
changes have been mysteriously decided upon, and forced on us.

We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do a
ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.

Thanks a lot.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

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Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? 
What are the benefits?

I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that question. 
Is it just a name change?  Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a subscription
model?

-- 
Bill Gee



On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:06:44 AM CST Rich Bowen
wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat 
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a 
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end 
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as 
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of 
> the RHEL 7 life cycle. 
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next 
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL. 
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux 
> distribution ecosystem.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will 
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS 
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. 
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you 
> to contact Red Hat about options.
> 
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your 
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of 
> project focus might affect you.
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. 
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS mailing list
> CentOS at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
>

Forgive a bit of cynicism ...

On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat 
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a 
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end 
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as 
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
"If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with
making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of 
> the RHEL 7 life cycle. 
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
"If you really want to have a stable release for free, stick to 7"
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next 
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL. 
"CentOS will become the developer playground"
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux 
> distribution ecosystem.
Was there any confusion? If there is, then it's caused by the
introduction of things like "CentOS Stream".  There was never any
confusion when it was a straight rebuild.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will 
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS 
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. 
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you 
> to contact Red Hat about options.
"If you want a production environment, pay for it"
> 
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your 
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of 
> project focus might affect you.
The FAQ generally says "if you want a RHEL environment, then pay for
it"
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. 
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> 
Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make
sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any resources
into it"

So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox,
Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?

P.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the EOL for CentOS 8 is
May 2029. (c.f. https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos).
CentOS Stream *is not* CentOS 8.

This announcement is a breach of that trust with your community, and could
be construed as a breach of contract with your users.

Save this change for CentOS 9.



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This really pisses me off.  You published CentOS 8 with a promise to support it
until May 2029.

Now you betray all users that took you by the mouth by stating it's EOL
december 31. 2021.

Do you really think that was a smart move?
> Am 08.12.2020 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com>:
> 
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year
we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise
Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL
release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021.
CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as the upstream (development)
branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 7,
and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of the RHEL 7
life cycle.
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This ensures SIGs
are developing and testing against what becomes the next version of RHEL. This
also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather than having to build and test for
two releases. It gives the CentOS contributor community a great deal of
influence in the future of RHEL. And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS?
means in the Linux distribution ecosystem.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will be
to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS Linux 8, and
has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. If you are using
CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream
will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options.
> 
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of project
focus might affect you.
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS mailing list
> CentOS at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Hi,

this is really bad news.

Back in 2014 [1], sadly no one at RH seems to remember...

"Some of the things that are not changing:
- - The CentOS Linux platform isn't changing. The process and methods
built up around the platform however are going to become more open,
more inclusive and transparent.
- - The sponsor driven content network that has been central to the
success of the CentOS efforts over the years stays intact.
- - The bugs, issues, and incident handling process stays as it has
been
with more opportunities for community members to get involved at
various stages of the process.
- - The Red Hat Enterprise Linux to CentOS firewall will also remain.
Members and contributors to the CentOS efforts are still isolated from
the RHEL Groups inside Red Hat, with the only interface being srpm /
source path tracking, no sooner than is considered released. In
summary:  we retain an upstream.

Feel free to reach out if you have specific concerns about how this
change impacts your CentOS story. URLs mentioned at the bottom of this
email should be a good starting point."

Crossing fingers that alternatives emerge soon.

Best regards,
Markus

[1] 
https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html


On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red
> Hat 
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of
> a 
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will
> end 
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving
> as 
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
> Linux 
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder
> of 
> the RHEL 7 life cycle. 
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the
> next 
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of
> RHEL. 
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux 
> distribution ecosystem.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option
> will 
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS 
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux
> releases. 
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage
> you 
> to contact Red Hat about options.
> 
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your 
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of 
> project focus might affect you.
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. 
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS mailing list
> CentOS at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

I still haven't seen an answer to the question, "Who made this
decision?"
and, "How can we lobby to get it changed?"



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

All,

Please sign this petition if you don't want the CentOS Board to implement
this decision:

https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream

Or... don't if you are happy with the change.

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year 
> we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
Enterprise
> Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL 
> release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of
2021.
> CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as the upstream 
> (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
I suppose I understand the negative feedback -- CentOS 8.x will no 
longer be a rebuild of RHEL 8.x but will instead be some version of 
RHEL 8.(x + 1) -- but I'm much more interested in empirical results 
than in suppositions. I've taken a couple test VMs and set them to 
CentOS 8 Stream and will keep an eye on them. They will either prove 
stable or not, but (observation > guessing) in my book.

If history is any guide, they will prove very stable. If not, then 
I'll pour one out for CentOS and look elsewhere.

-- 
Paul Heinlein
heinlein at madboa.com
45?38' N, 122?6' W

For the record, I don't think this is a good decision because it
changes what CentOS is (its "core mission" in business-speak).

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com>
wrote:
>
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
>
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"Rich Bowen" <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
>  Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
>  Linux 7, and we'll continue to produce that version through the
>  remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle.
You say now that you'll support CentOS 7 until the end, but you also
said you'd support CentOS 8 until the end.

-- 
Yves Bellefeuille
<yan at storm.ca>

Was this decision forced, despite objection, on the CentOS board by the
RedHat Liaison?

Yes or No?



On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com> wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
> to contact Red Hat about options.
>
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
> project focus might affect you.
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
> ]
>
> _______________________________________________
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

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Good Morning

> Am 08.12.2020 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen <rbowen at redhat.com>:
> 
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year
we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise
Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL
release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021.
CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as the upstream (development)
branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 7,
and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of the RHEL 7
life cycle.
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This ensures SIGs
are developing and testing against what becomes the next version of RHEL. This
also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather than having to build and test for
two releases. It gives the CentOS contributor community a great deal of
influence in the future of RHEL. And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS?
means in the Linux distribution ecosystem.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will be
to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS Linux 8, and
has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. If you are using
CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream
will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options.
> 
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of project
focus might affect you.
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> 

I have a technical question on this regarding the official CentOS docker images
found at https://hub.docker.com/_/centos <https://hub.docker.com/_/centos>

Will the image tagged centos:8 follow CentOS Stream eventually, and if so,
starting when?  Or is it already Stream?

Thanks,
mb

Am 08.12.20 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat 
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a 
> current RHEL release. 
JFTR: I don't have a problem with this change per se. I just don't like 
this "Roma locuta causa finita" attitude and the fact that this
happens
for CentOS 8 right in its lifetime.