CentOS - Dec 2020 - https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Forgive a bit of cynicism ...

On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat 
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a 
> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end 
> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as 
> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
"If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with
making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 
> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of 
> the RHEL 7 life cycle. 
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
"If you really want to have a stable release for free, stick to 7"
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next 
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL. 
"CentOS will become the developer playground"
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux 
> distribution ecosystem.
Was there any confusion? If there is, then it's caused by the
introduction of things like "CentOS Stream".  There was never any
confusion when it was a straight rebuild.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will 
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS 
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. 
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you 
> to contact Red Hat about options.
"If you want a production environment, pay for it"
> 
> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your 
> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of 
> project focus might affect you.
The FAQ generally says "if you want a RHEL environment, then pay for
it"
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. 
>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> 
Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make
sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any resources
into it"

So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox,
Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?

P.

It appears that Red Hat has taken ownership of a free and opensource OS and is
now making decisions regarding it.  Maybe it is time to look at Oracle Linux.

Andrea

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Forgive a bit of cynicism ...

On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next 
> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat 
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of 
> a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will 
> end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, 
> serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
"If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with
making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
> 
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS 
> Linux 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the 
> remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/u
> pdates/errata/*Life_Cycle_Dates__;Iw!!JA_k2roV-A!TV5uC89TVscCRwr7zzXLD
> C5qXG9icBBoFhbvuzaIQd8c6FERiSUJfbDgNxr_uWxezw$
"If you really want to have a stable release for free, stick to 7"
> 
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in 
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This 
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next 
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather 
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS 
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
"CentOS will become the developer playground"
> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux 
> distribution ecosystem.
Was there any confusion? If there is, then it's caused by the introduction
of things like "CentOS Stream".  There was never any confusion when it
was a straight rebuild.
> 
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will 
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS 
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are 
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage 
> you to contact Red Hat about options.
"If you want a production environment, pay for it"
> 
> We have an FAQ - 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://centos.org/distro-faq/__;!!JA_k2ro
> V-A!TV5uC89TVscCRwr7zzXLDC5qXG9icBBoFhbvuzaIQd8c6FERiSUJfbDgNxpK0XXHGg$  -
to help with your information and planning needs, as you figure out how this
shift of project focus might affect you.
The FAQ generally says "if you want a RHEL environment, then pay for
it"
> 
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stre
> am-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux__;!!JA_k2roV-A!TV5uC89T
> VscCRwr7zzXLDC5qXG9icBBoFhbvuzaIQd8c6FERiSUJfbDgNxqzGbXGpw$ ]
> 
Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make
sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any resources
into it"

So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox, Scientific
Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?

P.




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On 08/12/2020 15:15, Pete Biggs wrote:
> So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox,
> Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?
Springdale:

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SBCS NMR Manager
Working from home

I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers.

Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra support, 
BTRFS and a newer kernel, for example.


On 12/8/20 12:15 PM, Pete Biggs wrote:
>
> Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to
make
> sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any
resources
> into it"
>
> So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox,
> Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?
>
> P.
>
>
>
>
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On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +0000, Pete Biggs
wrote:
> Forgive a bit of cynicism ...
Sure, some cynicism is absolutely warranted. It's a big change.

> "If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with
> making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
I mean.... That's not the _worst_ deal I've ever heard. But actually
it's
better than you've stated, because the benefit to others happens even
regardless of the paying customers -- others using CentOS Stream also
benefit. And for that matter since many of fixes go upstream, users of open
source in general.

(In some ways, this is like: being a paying customer of RHEL also benefits
other paying customers. And for that matter, those paying customers benefit
all of the free users, and Fedora, and hundreds of upstreams.)

> "CentOS will become the developer playground"
This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a developer
playground. Everything landing in CentOS Stream is actually *planned* (with
emphasis intentional) to go in a future RHEL release.

Previously, all the development around RHEL releases was done in secret, in
the Red Hat black box. Now it's out of the box and can be watched. There may
be some launch pains, but I expect the average quality of an update hitting
CentOS Stream to be very high.

> >
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
> Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to
make
> sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any
resources
> into it"
Of course, that link says nothing of the sort. It's easy to imagine IBM
conspiracies, but the honest truth is that there's nothing to that. Now, I
don't know everything, and it may be the case that IBM is secretly
pulling all sorts of invisible strings and making Red Hat management dance,
but I do know about *this* particular thing and IBM had nothing to do with
it.



-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm at fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader

Look at Rocky Linux rockylinux.org It is set to become what CentOS was 
before it was sucked in by RH and sold to IBM, a Community Enterprise OS.

On 12/8/2020 8:15 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> Forgive a bit of cynicism ...
> 
> On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
>> year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
>> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end
>> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as
>> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> 
> "If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with
> making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
> 
>>
>> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
Linux
>> 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of
>> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
>>
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
> 
> "If you really want to have a stable release for free, stick to
7"
> 
>>
>> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
>> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
>> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
>> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
>> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
>> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
> 
> "CentOS will become the developer playground"
> 
>> And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux
>> distribution ecosystem.
> 
> Was there any confusion? If there is, then it's caused by the
> introduction of things like "CentOS Stream".  There was never any
> confusion when it was a straight rebuild.
> 
>>
>> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
>> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
>> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux
releases.
>> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
>> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you
>> to contact Red Hat about options.
> 
> "If you want a production environment, pay for it"
> 
>>
>> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
>> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
>> project focus might affect you.
> 
> The FAQ generally says "if you want a RHEL environment, then pay for
> it"
> 
>>
>> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>>
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux]
>>
> Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to
make
> sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any
resources
> into it"
> 
> So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox,
> Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?
> 
> P.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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