Dear all,
I talked with colleagues this morning and we realized that some people
(=me) pronounce CRAN like the German word "Kran" (probably pronounced
like "cruhn" in English -- if it was a word).
My colleague pronounced it as "Sea-Ran" or "Sea-Run". The
colleague was
a student and has worked at the same institution as an R Core Developer
and heard it from him personally.
So now I am puzzled. Have I been wrong about 43% of my life? ;-)
Honestly: Is there a unique way how the core developers prounounce CRAN?
Not an urgent question at all but maybe interesting to many of us.
Thanks,
Roland
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Interesting. I have always pronounced it as See-ran. This probably stems from my exposure to other archive like CPAN (perl) and CTAN (TeX) that I have been exposed to. Obviously the latter two acronyms are unpronounceable as words so I generalized the approach to CRAN. Kevin> On May 4, 2022, at 7:20 AM, Roland Rau via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I talked with colleagues this morning and we realized that some people (=me) pronounce CRAN like the German word "Kran" (probably pronounced like "cruhn" in English -- if it was a word). > My colleague pronounced it as "Sea-Ran" or "Sea-Run". The colleague was a student and has worked at the same institution as an R Core Developer and heard it from him personally. > > So now I am puzzled. Have I been wrong about 43% of my life? ;-) > > Honestly: Is there a unique way how the core developers prounounce CRAN? > > Not an urgent question at all but maybe interesting to many of us. > > Thanks, > Roland > > -- > This mail has been sent through the MPI for Demographic ...{{dropped:2}} > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Kevin E. Thorpe Head of Biostatistics, Applied Health Research Centre (AHRC) Li Ka Shing Knowledge Institute of St. Michael?s Hospital Assistant Professor, Dalla Lana School of Public Health University of Toronto email: kevin.thorpe at utoronto.ca Tel: 416.864.5776 Fax: 416.864.3016
Cade, Brian S
2022-May-04 14:43 UTC
[R] [EXTERNAL] Is there a canonical way to pronounce CRAN?
CRAN as in cranberry.
Just my minor thought.
Brian
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Dear all,
I talked with colleagues this morning and we realized that some people
(=me) pronounce CRAN like the German word "Kran" (probably pronounced
like "cruhn" in English -- if it was a word).
My colleague pronounced it as "Sea-Ran" or "Sea-Run". The
colleague was
a student and has worked at the same institution as an R Core Developer
and heard it from him personally.
So now I am puzzled. Have I been wrong about 43% of my life? ;-)
Honestly: Is there a unique way how the core developers prounounce CRAN?
Not an urgent question at all but maybe interesting to many of us.
Thanks,
Roland
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Charles-Édouard Giguère
2022-May-04 15:23 UTC
[R] Is there a canonical way to pronounce CRAN?
I pronounce it like "Yes we CRAN!" but I don't know the answer to
your
question.
Interesting question though : )
Charles-?douard
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Dear all,
I talked with colleagues this morning and we realized that some people
(=me) pronounce CRAN like the German word "Kran" (probably pronounced
like
"cruhn" in English -- if it was a word).
My colleague pronounced it as "Sea-Ran" or "Sea-Run". The
colleague was a
student and has worked at the same institution as an R Core Developer and
heard it from him personally.
So now I am puzzled. Have I been wrong about 43% of my life? ;-)
Honestly: Is there a unique way how the core developers prounounce CRAN?
Not an urgent question at all but maybe interesting to many of us.
Thanks,
Roland
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My personal impression is that in the early days of CRAN the pronouncation
as in "C-Ran" was more common but this has shifted towards
"Cran" over the
years.
CRAN was named in the same style as CPAN for Perl and CTAN for TeX (as
others have pointed out in this thread already). Many R users and
developers were also active in other free software communities and were
familiar with CPAN and CTAN as well. Hence "C-Ran" was natural.
But because - unlike the other abbreviations - CRAN can be pronounced as
"Cran" it was attractive for wordplays like Cranberries
(https://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/cranberries/), Crantastic
(https://github.com/hadley/crantastic), fortunes::fortune("Yes we
CRAN!"),
etc. Also, I would guess that the vast majority of today's R users (and
possibly also developers) is not familiar with CPAN or CTAN anymore. Hence
"Cran" is more natural for most of them.
And given that even the founders of CRAN sometimes pronounce it in one and
sometimes in the other way, I think it is fair to use both pronouncations.
Best wishes,
Achim
On Wed, 4 May 2022, Roland Rau via R-help wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I talked with colleagues this morning and we realized that some people
(=me)
> pronounce CRAN like the German word "Kran" (probably pronounced
like "cruhn"
> in English -- if it was a word).
> My colleague pronounced it as "Sea-Ran" or "Sea-Run".
The colleague was a
> student and has worked at the same institution as an R Core Developer and
> heard it from him personally.
>
> So now I am puzzled. Have I been wrong about 43% of my life? ;-)
>
> Honestly: Is there a unique way how the core developers prounounce CRAN?
>
> Not an urgent question at all but maybe interesting to many of us.
>
> Thanks,
> Roland
>
> --
> This mail has been sent through the MPI for Demographic ...{{dropped:2}}
>
> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>
I would like to point out that there is an English word "cran" (one syllable, rhymes with "can" "ban" "than" ...). It means " a measure of fresh herrings, equivalent to 37 1/2 gallons". If you are going to use "CRAN" as the name of something, you are going to have to expect me to pronounce it like the English word "cran". I've been aware of CPAN and CTAN since their inception, but it never occurred to pronounce the "C" as "sea". I've been pronouncing those as "c'PAN" and "c'TAN" with a schwa, as in "The Ballad of Lost C'Mell" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Lost_C%27Mell On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 02:31, Roland Rau via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote:> Dear all, > > I talked with colleagues this morning and we realized that some people > (=me) pronounce CRAN like the German word "Kran" (probably pronounced > like "cruhn" in English -- if it was a word). > My colleague pronounced it as "Sea-Ran" or "Sea-Run". The colleague was > a student and has worked at the same institution as an R Core Developer > and heard it from him personally. > > So now I am puzzled. Have I been wrong about 43% of my life? ;-) > > Honestly: Is there a unique way how the core developers prounounce CRAN? > > Not an urgent question at all but maybe interesting to many of us. > > Thanks, > Roland > > -- > This mail has been sent through the MPI for Demographic ...{{dropped:2}} > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]