dovecot - Apr 2021 - What imap ssl/auth settings work best with MS Outlook?

On 29-04-2021 23:08, @lbutlr wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2021, at 03:22, Steve Dondley wrote:
>> I am totally unfamiliar with Exchange servers. What do they offer, 
>> exactly, that dovecot/postfix does not (besides a revenue stream for 
>> MS)?
> 
> A monthly stipend to Microsoft?
> 
> (I think they actuallyy do offer some useful tools for things like
> meetings and calendars and such, including the 'feature' of being
able
> to automatically add people to your itinerary.)
<rant importance=low noise_level=medium>

Fact: Exchange (especially hosted) is 2010-ish, Office365 is the 
buzzword these days. Microsoft have been trying their best for quite 
some time now to cripple the IMAP support in Outlook as much as they can 
so that the email users will move their email business with o365 which - 
surprise surprise! - is soooo easy to autodiscover, autoconfigure, 
autothis, autothat. It's all about integrated services run by few well 
known powerful monopolies and it's only gonna get worse.

</rant>

-- 
Adi Pircalabu

On 29 Apr 2021, at 19:48, Adi Pircalabu <adi at ddns.com.au>
wrote:
> <rant importance=low noise_level=medium>
> 
> Fact: Exchange (especially hosted) is 2010-ish, Office365 is the buzzword
these days. Microsoft have been trying their best for quite some time now to
cripple the IMAP support in Outlook as much as they can so that the email users
will move their email business with o365 which - surprise surprise! - is soooo
easy to autodiscover, autoconfigure, autothis, autothat. It's all about
integrated services run by few well known powerful monopolies and it's only
gonna get worse.
As an example of how MSFT (and others) make configuring real emails accounts
more difficult:

When you enter your email address, it would be TRIVIAL to check the MX records
for the domain and fill those in for the SMTP and IMAP servers, allowing users
to more easily add (if needed) the domain prefix.

No one does this.

Not a big thing, of course, but a silly omission that is best explained by
"Nah, if they are going to use real servers, let's not make it any
easier."
> </rant>

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On 2021-04-30 03:48, Adi Pircalabu wrote:
> On 29-04-2021 23:08, @lbutlr wrote:
>> On 29 Apr 2021, at 03:22, Steve Dondley wrote:
>>> I am totally unfamiliar with Exchange servers. What do they offer, 
>>> exactly, that dovecot/postfix does not (besides a revenue stream
for
>>> MS)?
>> 
>> A monthly stipend to Microsoft?
>> 
>> (I think they actuallyy do offer some useful tools for things like
>> meetings and calendars and such, including the 'feature' of
being able
>> to automatically add people to your itinerary.)
> 
> <rant importance=low noise_level=medium>
> 
> Fact: Exchange (especially hosted) is 2010-ish, Office365 is the
> buzzword these days. Microsoft have been trying their best for quite
> some time now to cripple the IMAP support in Outlook as much as they
> can so that the email users will move their email business with o365
> which - surprise surprise! - is soooo easy to autodiscover,
> autoconfigure, autothis, autothat. It's all about integrated services
> run by few well known powerful monopolies and it's only gonna get
> worse.
> 
> </rant>
<rant>

is mozilla thunderbird better in 2021 with no shareing or dokumented 
ical icard or shared adressbook

simply is seamonkey worse then firefox ?

</rant>

imho its not just microsoft