llvm dev - Jan 2021 - Increasing address pool reuse/reducing .o file size in DWARFv5

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 1:39 PM Vedant Kumar <vedant_kumar at apple.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:20 AM, David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:03 AM Vedant Kumar <vedant_kumar at
apple.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think I get it now, thanks for explaining!
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:44 AM, David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:57 PM Vedant Kumar <vedant_kumar at
apple.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't totally follow the proposed encoding change & would
appreciate a
>>> small example.
>>>
>>> Is the idea to replace e.g. an 'AT_low_pc (<direct
address>) +
>>> relocation for <direct address>' with an 'AT_low_pc
(<indirection into a
>>> pool of addresses> + offset)',
>>>
>>
>> With Split DWARF or with DWARFv5 in LLVM at the moment, all addresses
are
>> indirected already. So it's:
>>
>> Replace "AT_low_pc (<indirection into a pool of
addresses>)" with an
>> "AT_low_pc (<indirection into a pool of addresses> +
offset)".
>>
>>
>>> s.t. the cost of a relocation for the address is paid down the more
it's
>>> used?
>>>
>>
>> Right - specifically to reduce the pool of addresses down to, ideally,
>> one address per section/indivisible chunk of machine code (per
subsection
>> in MachO, for instance) (whereas currently there are many addresses per
>> section)
>>
>>
>>> How do you figure the offset out?
>>>
>>
>> Label difference - same as is done for DW_AT_high_pc today in DWARFv4
and
>> DWARFv5 in LLVM. high_pc currently uses the low_pc addresse to be
relative
>> to, in this proposed situation, we'd use a symbol that's in the
first bit
>> of debug info in the section (or subsection in MachO). So the low_pc of
the
>> subprogram/function, for instance, or if there are two functions in the
>> same section with debug info for both, the low_pc of the first of those
>> functions, etc...
>>
>>
>> If the label difference in a low_pc attribute is relative to the start
of
>> a section, could a linker orderfile pass break the dwarf unless it
updates
>> the offset?
>>
>
> Nah - terminologically, ELF sections are indivisible - more akin to MachO
> subsections. ELF files can have multiple sections with the same name (as is
> used for comdat sections for inline functions, and for -ffunction-sections
> (roughly equivalent to MachO's "subsections via symbols", as
I understand
> it) (or can use ".text.suffix" naming to give each separate .text
section
> its own name - but the linker strips the suffixes and concatenates all
> these together into the final linked .text section)
>
>
> I see, so an ELF linker may reorder sections relative to each other, but
> not the contents of a section. (That matches up with what I've read
> elsewhere - you'd use -ffunction-sections to reorder function symbols,
> IIRC.)
>
Right.

> And in this proposal to increase address pool reuse, label differences in
> a MachO would be relative to the subsection.
>
Even before my proposal, there are already many cases where rnglists and
loclists in DWARFv5 (& location lists in DWARFv4) will use selectively
chosen base addresses and symbol differences as often as possible (insofar
as I could do that when working/experimenting with ELF).

So without function sections, for instance - rnglists for sub-function
ranges (ignoring PROPELLER for now/in this part of the discussion).

Perhaps an example would be helpful. Here's LLVM's current behavior with
DWARFv5 and ELF, without function sections:

int f1();
void f2() {
  if (int i = f1()) {
    f1();
  }
}
void f3() {
  if (f1()) {
    int i = f1();
  }
}
__attribute__((section(".other"))) void f4() {
}

In this code there are only two ELF sections (".text" contains the
definitions of f2 and f3, ".other" contains the definition of f4) and
so we
/should/ be able to only have 2 relocations in the debug info.

(I'm exploiting something of a bug/quirk in Clang/LLVM's debug info that
causes, even at -O0, the lexical_block for the 'if' to have a hole in
it,
where the call to f1 is, so it has ranges rather than low/high pc)

In DWARFv4 this example would've used 10 relocations. (on the CU ranges,
there would be begin/end for the ".text" range covering f2 and f3, and
begin/end for the ".other" range covering f4, then the range list for
the
"if" lexical_block would contain another 2 pairs (4
addresses/relocations),
one relocation for f2's low_pc, one for f3's 'if'
lexical_block).

In DWARFv5, we see the following:

0x00000014: [DW_RLE_base_addressx]:  0x0000000000000000
0x00000016: [DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x0000000000000008, 0x0000000000000014
0x00000019: [DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x000000000000001a, 0x000000000000001f
0x0000001c: [DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]
0x0000001d: [DW_RLE_startx_length]:  0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000036
0x00000020: [DW_RLE_startx_length]:  0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000006
0x00000023: [DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]

The first location list is for the 'if' scope, the second is for the CU.
Both are able to efficiently select encodings and base addresses.

But the debug_addr has 4 addresses in it - the address at index 1 (not used
in the rnglists shown above - we see index 0 and index 2 are used there) is
for the low_pc of f3's subprogram, and the address at index 2 is for the
low_pc of f3's if block/scope.

That's the address/relocation that would be... addressed by the change
I'm
proposing. One way to avoid that relocation would be to encode f3's address
range using a rnglist - this is fully backwards compatible, and would
produce a rnglist like this:

[DW_RLE_base_addressx]:  0x0000000000000000
[DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x0000000000000030, 0x0000000000000036
[DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]

Similarly, f3's if block could use a rangelist like:

[DW_RLE_base_addressx]:  0x0000000000000000
[DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x0000000000000046, 0x0000000000000054
[DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]

As you can imagine, there are quite a few ranges (especially once you get
inlining) that use low/high_pc, and could benefit from the reduction in
relocations by using this strategy. Though it isn't optimal (the range list
encoding isn't intended to be good for this use case) in terms of size cost
- hence the possibility of using DWARF expressions for address class
attributes, or a custom form that would more directly encode the <indirect
address> + <offset>.

In Propeller, is basic block reordering done after a .o is
emitted?
>
Yes.

> If so, I suppose I don't yet see how the proposed scheme is resilient
to
> this reordering.
>
With PROPELLER any function that is fragmented into reorderable sections
must necessarily use ranges to describe the function's address range - but,
again, choosing base addresses strategically & using relative references
whenever possible, would help reduce the cost of PROPELLER's debug info.

> OTOH if block reordering is done just before the label difference is
> evaluated, then there shouldn't be any issue.
>
>
> Ditto, I suppose, for an intra-function offset when something like
>> propeller is used to reorder basic blocks (I’m thinking of
>> At_call_return_pc now).
>>
>
> Yeah - currently the "base address" for each section is
determined by the
> first function with debug info being emitted in that section (
>
https://github.com/llvm-mirror/llvm/blob/master/lib/CodeGen/AsmPrinter/DwarfDebug.cpp#L1787
)
> - with PROPELLER we'd need to add similar code when function fragments
are
> emitted. (I'm planning to check the PROPELLER work in progress tree
soon
> and do another sanity pass over the debug info emitted to check this is
> working as intended - in part because this base address selection, coupled
> with DWARFv5 and maybe with the changes I'm suggesting in this thread
(&
> will commit under flags "soon" (might take me a week or two
judging by my
> review/bug/investigation load right now... *fingers crossed*)) might make
> PROPELLER less expensive in terms of debug info size, or more expensive
> relative to the significant improvements this provides)
>
>
> Thanks for investigating!
>
> Owing to the way MachO debug info distribution works differently & if I
> understand correctly doesn't need relocations in many cases due to
> DWARF-aware parsing/linking (& if it does use relocations, I've no
> knowledge of when/how and how big they are compared to the ELF relocations
> I've been measuring) it's quite possible MachO would have different
> tradeoffs in this space.
>
>
> A linked .dSYM (analogous to an ELF .dwp, IIUC) doesn't contain
> relocations for AT_low_pc or AT_call_return_pc in the simple examples I
> tried out. We do emit relocations for those attributes in MachO object
> files (there isn't something analogous to a .dwo on MachO, the debug
info
> just goes into a different set of sections in the .o). My understanding
> (based on the definition of `macho_relocation_info` in the ld64 sources) is
> that MachO relocations are 8 bytes in size. It looks like ELF rel/rela
> relocations are 16/24 bytes in size, but I'm not sure why (perhaps
they're
> more extensible / encode more information).
>
OK *nod* with the smaller encoding it may be less of a pressing issue for
you & the tradeoff may be different.

> Would a vanilla DWARFv4 .dwp (without your patches applied) contain a
> relocation for each 'AT_low_pc (<direct address>)'?
>
DWP files contain no direct addresses - they are all indirect through the
address pool. But, yes, for a DWARFv4 Split DWARF build, low_pcs don't have
an opportunity to reuse a strategically chosen base address - they have to
use an addrx form & the debug_addr section would have that specific address
with a relocation for it.

>
> vedant
>
>
>
>> Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere, I suppose there must be
a
>> solution for this for At_high_pc to work.
>>
>> vedant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> vedant
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:33 PM, David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds good all round - I'll commit these two modes, and maybe
even the
>>> third (given Sony's interest & possible interest in
changing their consumer
>>> to handle it) of a custom form to eek out the last few bytes from
the more
>>> direct addr+offset encoding.
>>>
>>> I'll follow up here with flag names and revision numbers once
they're in.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:26 PM Robinson, Paul <paul.robinson at
sony.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On some previous occasion that introduced additional
indirection
>>>> (don't remember the details) my debugger people groused
about the
>>>> additional performance cost of chasing down data in a different
>>>> object-file section.  So we (Sony) might be happier with low_pc
as
>>>> expressions, than with a ranges-always solution.
>>>>
>>>> But hard to say without data, and getting both modes in at
least
>>>> as a temporary thing sounds like a good plan.
>>>> --paulr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: aprantl at apple.com <aprantl at apple.com>
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:49 PM
>>>> > To: David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com>
>>>> > Cc: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Jonas
Devlieghere
>>>> > <jdevlieghere at apple.com>; Robinson, Paul
<paul.robinson at sony.com>;
>>>> Eric
>>>> > Christopher <echristo at gmail.com>; Frederic Riss
<friss at apple.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: Increasing address pool reuse/reducing .o
file size in
>>>> > DWARFv5
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this sounds like a good plan for Linux. I would
like to see
>>>> the
>>>> > numbers for Darwin (= non-split DWARF) to decide whether
we should
>>>> just
>>>> > make that the default. Eric's suggestion of having
this committed as
>>>> an
>>>> > option first seems like a good step in that direction. If
it is an
>>>> > advantage across the board we can remove the option and
just make
>>>> this the
>>>> > default behavior.
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks,
>>>> > adrian
>>>> >
>>>> > > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:08 PM, David Blaikie
<dblaikie at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > tl;dr: in DWARFv5, using DW_AT_ranges even when the
range is
>>>> contiguous
>>>> > reduces linked, uncompressed debug_addr size for optimized
builds by
>>>> 93%
>>>> > and reduces total .o file size (with compression and
split) by 15%. It
>>>> > does grow .dwo file size a bit - DWARFv5, no compression,
not split
>>>> shows
>>>> > the net effect if all bytes are equal: -O3 clang binary
grows by
>>>> 0.4%, -O0
>>>> > clang binary shrinks by 0.1%
>>>> > > Should we enable this strategy by default for
DWARFv5, for
>>>> DWARFv5+Split
>>>> > DWARF, or not by default at all/only under a flag?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > So, I've brought this up a few times before -
that DWARFv5 does a
>>>> pretty
>>>> > good job of reducing relocations (& reducing .o file
size with Split
>>>> > DWARF) by allowing many uses of addresses to include some
kind of
>>>> > address+offset (debug_rnglists and loclists allowing
"base_address"
>>>> then
>>>> > offset_pairs (an improvement over similar functionality in
DWARFv4
>>>> because
>>>> > the offset pairs can be uleb encoded - so they can be
quite compact))
>>>> > >
>>>> > > But one place that DWARFv5 misses to reduce
relocations further is
>>>> > direct addresses from debug_info, such as DW_AT_low_pc.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > For a while I've wondered if we could use an
extension form for
>>>> > addr+offset, and I prototyped this without an extension
attribute, but
>>>> > instead using exprloc. This has slightly higher overhead
to express
>>>> the...
>>>> > expression. (it's 9 bytes in total, could be as few as
5 with a custom
>>>> > form)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > But I had another idea that's more instantly
deployable: Why not use
>>>> > DW_AT_ranges even when the range is contiguous? That way
the low_pc
>>>> that
>>>> > previously couldn't use an existing address pool entry
+ offset,
>>>> could use
>>>> > the rnglist support for base address.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The only unnecessary address pool entries that remain
that I've
>>>> found
>>>> > are DW_AT_low_pc for DW_TAG_labels - but there's only
a handful of
>>>> those
>>>> > in most code. So the "ranges everywhere"
strategy gets the addresses
>>>> for
>>>> > optimized clang down from 4758 (v4 address pool used 9923
>>>> addresses... )
>>>> > to 342, with about ~4 "extra" addresses for
DW_TAG_labels.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This could also be a bit less costly if DWARFv5
rnglists didn't use
>>>> a
>>>> > separate offset table (instead encoding the offsets
directly in
>>>> > debug_info, rather than using indexes)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I have patches for both the addr+offset exprloc and
for the ranges-
>>>> > always, both with -mllvm flags - do people think
they're both worth
>>>> > committing for experimentation? Neither? Default on in
some cases
>>>> (like
>>>> > Split DWARF)?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks,
>>>> > > - Dave
>>>>
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Coming back around to this...

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/ad18b075fd63935148b460f9c6b4dce130c56b15
Added the "always use ranges" option, currently off-by-default, usable
with
-gdwarf-5 -mllvm -always-use-ranges-in-v5=Enable (as the name implies, this
has no effect on DWARFv4 and below, because there's no benefit there). I
have plans to make this the default behavior for Split DWARF since moving
bytes from .o to .dwo is valuable even if it breaks pretty even - enough to
justify this even though it's a wash or maybe a slight cost to linked
binary size (compared to unlinked object size).

I did come across a couple of lldb bugs related to using ranges on
subprograms ("Ranges everywhere" can use ranges on subprograms where
the
subprogram is in the same section as another subprogram), sent fixes for
them in: https://reviews.llvm.org/D94063 and https://reviews.llvm.org/D94064
- if anyone has a chance to look at those, it'd be most appreciated.

Once those lldb fixes are in, I'll make the change to enable this feature
by default when using Split DWARF unless anyone's got objections to that.

& in the mean time I'm also working on patches for the other two
candidates
- novel DWARF expressions and an LLVM extension form.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 1:39 PM Vedant Kumar <vedant_kumar at
apple.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:20 AM, David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:03 AM Vedant Kumar <vedant_kumar at
apple.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I get it now, thanks for explaining!
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:44 AM, David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:57 PM Vedant Kumar <vedant_kumar at
apple.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't totally follow the proposed encoding change &
would appreciate
>>>> a small example.
>>>>
>>>> Is the idea to replace e.g. an 'AT_low_pc (<direct
address>) +
>>>> relocation for <direct address>' with an
'AT_low_pc (<indirection into a
>>>> pool of addresses> + offset)',
>>>>
>>>
>>> With Split DWARF or with DWARFv5 in LLVM at the moment, all
addresses
>>> are indirected already. So it's:
>>>
>>> Replace "AT_low_pc (<indirection into a pool of
addresses>)" with an
>>> "AT_low_pc (<indirection into a pool of addresses> +
offset)".
>>>
>>>
>>>> s.t. the cost of a relocation for the address is paid down the
more
>>>> it's used?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right - specifically to reduce the pool of addresses down to,
ideally,
>>> one address per section/indivisible chunk of machine code (per
subsection
>>> in MachO, for instance) (whereas currently there are many addresses
per
>>> section)
>>>
>>>
>>>> How do you figure the offset out?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Label difference - same as is done for DW_AT_high_pc today in
DWARFv4
>>> and DWARFv5 in LLVM. high_pc currently uses the low_pc addresse to
be
>>> relative to, in this proposed situation, we'd use a symbol
that's in the
>>> first bit of debug info in the section (or subsection in MachO). So
the
>>> low_pc of the subprogram/function, for instance, or if there are
two
>>> functions in the same section with debug info for both, the low_pc
of the
>>> first of those functions, etc...
>>>
>>>
>>> If the label difference in a low_pc attribute is relative to the
start
>>> of a section, could a linker orderfile pass break the dwarf unless
it
>>> updates the offset?
>>>
>>
>> Nah - terminologically, ELF sections are indivisible - more akin to
MachO
>> subsections. ELF files can have multiple sections with the same name
(as is
>> used for comdat sections for inline functions, and for
-ffunction-sections
>> (roughly equivalent to MachO's "subsections via symbols",
as I understand
>> it) (or can use ".text.suffix" naming to give each separate
.text section
>> its own name - but the linker strips the suffixes and concatenates all
>> these together into the final linked .text section)
>>
>>
>> I see, so an ELF linker may reorder sections relative to each other,
but
>> not the contents of a section. (That matches up with what I've read
>> elsewhere - you'd use -ffunction-sections to reorder function
symbols,
>> IIRC.)
>>
>
> Right.
>
>
>> And in this proposal to increase address pool reuse, label differences
in
>> a MachO would be relative to the subsection.
>>
>
> Even before my proposal, there are already many cases where rnglists and
> loclists in DWARFv5 (& location lists in DWARFv4) will use selectively
> chosen base addresses and symbol differences as often as possible (insofar
> as I could do that when working/experimenting with ELF).
>
> So without function sections, for instance - rnglists for sub-function
> ranges (ignoring PROPELLER for now/in this part of the discussion).
>
> Perhaps an example would be helpful. Here's LLVM's current behavior
with
> DWARFv5 and ELF, without function sections:
>
> int f1();
> void f2() {
>   if (int i = f1()) {
>     f1();
>   }
> }
> void f3() {
>   if (f1()) {
>     int i = f1();
>   }
> }
> __attribute__((section(".other"))) void f4() {
> }
>
> In this code there are only two ELF sections (".text" contains
the
> definitions of f2 and f3, ".other" contains the definition of f4)
and so we
> /should/ be able to only have 2 relocations in the debug info.
>
> (I'm exploiting something of a bug/quirk in Clang/LLVM's debug info
that
> causes, even at -O0, the lexical_block for the 'if' to have a hole
in it,
> where the call to f1 is, so it has ranges rather than low/high pc)
>
> In DWARFv4 this example would've used 10 relocations. (on the CU
ranges,
> there would be begin/end for the ".text" range covering f2 and
f3, and
> begin/end for the ".other" range covering f4, then the range list
for the
> "if" lexical_block would contain another 2 pairs (4
addresses/relocations),
> one relocation for f2's low_pc, one for f3's 'if'
lexical_block).
>
> In DWARFv5, we see the following:
>
> 0x00000014: [DW_RLE_base_addressx]:  0x0000000000000000
> 0x00000016: [DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x0000000000000008, 0x0000000000000014
> 0x00000019: [DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x000000000000001a, 0x000000000000001f
> 0x0000001c: [DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]
> 0x0000001d: [DW_RLE_startx_length]:  0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000036
> 0x00000020: [DW_RLE_startx_length]:  0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000006
> 0x00000023: [DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]
>
> The first location list is for the 'if' scope, the second is for
the CU.
> Both are able to efficiently select encodings and base addresses.
>
> But the debug_addr has 4 addresses in it - the address at index 1 (not
> used in the rnglists shown above - we see index 0 and index 2 are used
> there) is for the low_pc of f3's subprogram, and the address at index 2
is
> for the low_pc of f3's if block/scope.
>
> That's the address/relocation that would be... addressed by the change
I'm
> proposing. One way to avoid that relocation would be to encode f3's
address
> range using a rnglist - this is fully backwards compatible, and would
> produce a rnglist like this:
>
> [DW_RLE_base_addressx]:  0x0000000000000000
> [DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x0000000000000030, 0x0000000000000036
> [DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]
>
> Similarly, f3's if block could use a rangelist like:
>
> [DW_RLE_base_addressx]:  0x0000000000000000
> [DW_RLE_offset_pair  ]:  0x0000000000000046, 0x0000000000000054
> [DW_RLE_end_of_list  ]
>
> As you can imagine, there are quite a few ranges (especially once you get
> inlining) that use low/high_pc, and could benefit from the reduction in
> relocations by using this strategy. Though it isn't optimal (the range
list
> encoding isn't intended to be good for this use case) in terms of size
cost
> - hence the possibility of using DWARF expressions for address class
> attributes, or a custom form that would more directly encode the
<indirect
> address> + <offset>.
>
> In Propeller, is basic block reordering done after a .o is emitted?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> If so, I suppose I don't yet see how the proposed scheme is
resilient to
>> this reordering.
>>
>
> With PROPELLER any function that is fragmented into reorderable sections
> must necessarily use ranges to describe the function's address range -
but,
> again, choosing base addresses strategically & using relative
references
> whenever possible, would help reduce the cost of PROPELLER's debug
info.
>
>
>> OTOH if block reordering is done just before the label difference is
>> evaluated, then there shouldn't be any issue.
>>
>>
>> Ditto, I suppose, for an intra-function offset when something like
>>> propeller is used to reorder basic blocks (I’m thinking of
>>> At_call_return_pc now).
>>>
>>
>> Yeah - currently the "base address" for each section is
determined by the
>> first function with debug info being emitted in that section (
>>
https://github.com/llvm-mirror/llvm/blob/master/lib/CodeGen/AsmPrinter/DwarfDebug.cpp#L1787
)
>> - with PROPELLER we'd need to add similar code when function
fragments are
>> emitted. (I'm planning to check the PROPELLER work in progress tree
soon
>> and do another sanity pass over the debug info emitted to check this is
>> working as intended - in part because this base address selection,
coupled
>> with DWARFv5 and maybe with the changes I'm suggesting in this
thread (&
>> will commit under flags "soon" (might take me a week or two
judging by my
>> review/bug/investigation load right now... *fingers crossed*)) might
make
>> PROPELLER less expensive in terms of debug info size, or more expensive
>> relative to the significant improvements this provides)
>>
>>
>> Thanks for investigating!
>>
>> Owing to the way MachO debug info distribution works differently &
if I
>> understand correctly doesn't need relocations in many cases due to
>> DWARF-aware parsing/linking (& if it does use relocations, I've
no
>> knowledge of when/how and how big they are compared to the ELF
relocations
>> I've been measuring) it's quite possible MachO would have
different
>> tradeoffs in this space.
>>
>>
>> A linked .dSYM (analogous to an ELF .dwp, IIUC) doesn't contain
>> relocations for AT_low_pc or AT_call_return_pc in the simple examples I
>> tried out. We do emit relocations for those attributes in MachO object
>> files (there isn't something analogous to a .dwo on MachO, the
debug info
>> just goes into a different set of sections in the .o). My understanding
>> (based on the definition of `macho_relocation_info` in the ld64
sources) is
>> that MachO relocations are 8 bytes in size. It looks like ELF rel/rela
>> relocations are 16/24 bytes in size, but I'm not sure why (perhaps
they're
>> more extensible / encode more information).
>>
>
> OK *nod* with the smaller encoding it may be less of a pressing issue for
> you & the tradeoff may be different.
>
>
>> Would a vanilla DWARFv4 .dwp (without your patches applied) contain a
>> relocation for each 'AT_low_pc (<direct address>)'?
>>
>
> DWP files contain no direct addresses - they are all indirect through the
> address pool. But, yes, for a DWARFv4 Split DWARF build, low_pcs don't
have
> an opportunity to reuse a strategically chosen base address - they have to
> use an addrx form & the debug_addr section would have that specific
address
> with a relocation for it.
>
>
>>
>> vedant
>>
>>
>>
>>> Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere, I suppose there must
be a
>>> solution for this for At_high_pc to work.
>>>
>>> vedant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> vedant
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:33 PM, David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good all round - I'll commit these two modes, and
maybe even the
>>>> third (given Sony's interest & possible interest in
changing their consumer
>>>> to handle it) of a custom form to eek out the last few bytes
from the more
>>>> direct addr+offset encoding.
>>>>
>>>> I'll follow up here with flag names and revision numbers
once they're
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:26 PM Robinson, Paul <paul.robinson
at sony.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On some previous occasion that introduced additional
indirection
>>>>> (don't remember the details) my debugger people groused
about the
>>>>> additional performance cost of chasing down data in a
different
>>>>> object-file section.  So we (Sony) might be happier with
low_pc as
>>>>> expressions, than with a ranges-always solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> But hard to say without data, and getting both modes in at
least
>>>>> as a temporary thing sounds like a good plan.
>>>>> --paulr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: aprantl at apple.com <aprantl at
apple.com>
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:49 PM
>>>>> > To: David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com>
>>>>> > Cc: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Jonas
Devlieghere
>>>>> > <jdevlieghere at apple.com>; Robinson, Paul
<paul.robinson at sony.com>;
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> > Christopher <echristo at gmail.com>; Frederic
Riss <friss at apple.com>
>>>>> > Subject: Re: Increasing address pool reuse/reducing .o
file size in
>>>>> > DWARFv5
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think this sounds like a good plan for Linux. I
would like to see
>>>>> the
>>>>> > numbers for Darwin (= non-split DWARF) to decide
whether we should
>>>>> just
>>>>> > make that the default. Eric's suggestion of having
this committed as
>>>>> an
>>>>> > option first seems like a good step in that direction.
If it is an
>>>>> > advantage across the board we can remove the option
and just make
>>>>> this the
>>>>> > default behavior.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > thanks,
>>>>> > adrian
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:08 PM, David Blaikie
<dblaikie at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > tl;dr: in DWARFv5, using DW_AT_ranges even when
the range is
>>>>> contiguous
>>>>> > reduces linked, uncompressed debug_addr size for
optimized builds by
>>>>> 93%
>>>>> > and reduces total .o file size (with compression and
split) by 15%.
>>>>> It
>>>>> > does grow .dwo file size a bit - DWARFv5, no
compression, not split
>>>>> shows
>>>>> > the net effect if all bytes are equal: -O3 clang
binary grows by
>>>>> 0.4%, -O0
>>>>> > clang binary shrinks by 0.1%
>>>>> > > Should we enable this strategy by default for
DWARFv5, for
>>>>> DWARFv5+Split
>>>>> > DWARF, or not by default at all/only under a flag?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > So, I've brought this up a few times before -
that DWARFv5 does a
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> > good job of reducing relocations (& reducing .o
file size with Split
>>>>> > DWARF) by allowing many uses of addresses to include
some kind of
>>>>> > address+offset (debug_rnglists and loclists allowing
"base_address"
>>>>> then
>>>>> > offset_pairs (an improvement over similar
functionality in DWARFv4
>>>>> because
>>>>> > the offset pairs can be uleb encoded - so they can be
quite compact))
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > But one place that DWARFv5 misses to reduce
relocations further is
>>>>> > direct addresses from debug_info, such as
DW_AT_low_pc.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > For a while I've wondered if we could use an
extension form for
>>>>> > addr+offset, and I prototyped this without an
extension attribute,
>>>>> but
>>>>> > instead using exprloc. This has slightly higher
overhead to express
>>>>> the...
>>>>> > expression. (it's 9 bytes in total, could be as
few as 5 with a
>>>>> custom
>>>>> > form)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > But I had another idea that's more instantly
deployable: Why not
>>>>> use
>>>>> > DW_AT_ranges even when the range is contiguous? That
way the low_pc
>>>>> that
>>>>> > previously couldn't use an existing address pool
entry + offset,
>>>>> could use
>>>>> > the rnglist support for base address.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > The only unnecessary address pool entries that
remain that I've
>>>>> found
>>>>> > are DW_AT_low_pc for DW_TAG_labels - but there's
only a handful of
>>>>> those
>>>>> > in most code. So the "ranges everywhere"
strategy gets the addresses
>>>>> for
>>>>> > optimized clang down from 4758 (v4 address pool used
9923
>>>>> addresses... )
>>>>> > to 342, with about ~4 "extra" addresses for
DW_TAG_labels.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > This could also be a bit less costly if DWARFv5
rnglists didn't
>>>>> use a
>>>>> > separate offset table (instead encoding the offsets
directly in
>>>>> > debug_info, rather than using indexes)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I have patches for both the addr+offset exprloc
and for the ranges-
>>>>> > always, both with -mllvm flags - do people think
they're both worth
>>>>> > committing for experimentation? Neither? Default on in
some cases
>>>>> (like
>>>>> > Split DWARF)?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thanks,
>>>>> > > - Dave
>>>>>
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