Hello, I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I was shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term "indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to contact about making this happen? Thank you in advance for any suggestions. Sincerely, Elaine Gallenberg [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
According to Wikipedia -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) -- "Indian red" refers to a pigment from India. The Wikipedia page reports that Crayola were concerned about the mistaken etymology so used the name "Chestnut" On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:39 PM Lainey Gallenberg < laineygallenberg at gmail.com> wrote:> Hello, > > I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to > lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I was > shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term > "indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less > offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to contact > about making this happen? > > Thank you in advance for any suggestions. > > Sincerely, > Elaine Gallenberg > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color)> for where the name comes from. To cite: "The name Indian red derives from the red laterite <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterite> soil found in India <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>, which is composed of naturally occurring iron oxides <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_oxide>.[citation needed <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>] The first recorded use of Indian red as a color term in English <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language> was in 1672.[3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color)#cite_note-3>? So I do not see any offence in the name. Cheers, Rainer> On 16 Nov 2020, at 03:35, Lainey Gallenberg <laineygallenberg at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to > lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I was > shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term > "indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less > offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to contact > about making this happen? > > Thank you in advance for any suggestions. > > Sincerely, > Elaine Gallenberg > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Orcid ID: 0000-0002-7490-0066 Department of Evolutionary Biology and Environmental Studies University of Z?rich Office Y34-J-74 Winterthurerstrasse 190 8075 Z?rich Switzerland Office: +41 (0)44 635 47 64 Cell: +41 (0)78 630 66 57 email: Rainer.Krug at uzh.ch Rainer at krugs.de Skype: RMkrug PGP: 0x0F52F982 [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
This is a standard colour palette name that has been in use for years. R did not
invent it. It simply uses the standard names. Look up indianred on google. You
will find Wikipedia entries, hex codes for the colour, etc.
This has nothing to do with R, in my opinion.
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I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to
lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I
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shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term
"indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less
offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to
contact
about making this happen?
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
Sincerely,
Elaine Gallenberg
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Hello, Thanks for the information. I am glad to learn the etymology of the word is not related to the offensive terms used in the US and Canada. Personally, I would prefer if R took Crayola's route and changed the name to avoid this mistake in the future, but perhaps this sentiment is not shared by others. Best, Elaine On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:46 AM Mitchell Maltenfort <mmalten at gmail.com> wrote:> According to Wikipedia -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) > -- "Indian red" refers to a pigment from India. > > The Wikipedia page reports that Crayola were concerned about the mistaken > etymology so used the name "Chestnut" > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:39 PM Lainey Gallenberg < > laineygallenberg at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to >> lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I was >> shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term >> "indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less >> offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to contact >> about making this happen? >> >> Thank you in advance for any suggestions. >> >> Sincerely, >> Elaine Gallenberg >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Hi Elaine, There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the user. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the words wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. Jim On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 5:39 AM Lainey Gallenberg < laineygallenberg at gmail.com> wrote:> Hello, > > I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to > lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I was > shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term > "indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less > offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to contact > about making this happen? > > Thank you in advance for any suggestions. > > Sincerely, > Elaine Gallenberg > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
WIth all due respect, can we end this thread NOW. This is not a forum to discuss social or political viewpoints. I consider it a disservice to make it one. Bert Gunter "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along and sticking things into it." -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jim Lemon <drjimlemon at gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Elaine, > There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I don't > think that it does anything against racism, sexism or > antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon to > comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the user. It is > the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the words wastes your > time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, and gives the real > offender time to find another epithet. > > Jim > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 5:39 AM Lainey Gallenberg < > laineygallenberg at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm hoping someone on here knows the appropriate place/contact for me to > > lodge a complaint about a color name in the "colors" function. I was > > shocked to see there are four named color options that include the term > > "indianred." Surely these colors can be changed to something less > > offensive- my suggestion is "blush." How can I find out who to contact > > about making this happen? > > > > Thank you in advance for any suggestions. > > > > Sincerely, > > Elaine Gallenberg > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 Jim Lemon <drjimlemon at gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Elaine, > There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I > don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or > antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon > to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the > user. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the > words wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, > and gives the real offender time to find another epithet.Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have said that! Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric, alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield". cheers, Rolf -- Honorary Research Fellow Department of Statistics University of Auckland Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:35:41 -0900 Lainey Gallenberg <laineygallenberg at gmail.com> wrote: Lainey, Assumptions are always fraught. Your assumption about the "meaning" of Indian Red is simply wrong. Indian red is named for a lateritic soil in India. It isn't racist, and I have American Indian friends who have expressed disappointment at the historical facts. They also prefer "American Indian" to "Native American." So, what to do??? JWDougherty
> Surely these colors can be changed > to something less offensive- my suggestion is "blush." > How can I find out who to contact about making this happen?Yes, they can. blush <- "#CD5C5C" mycols <- function () { #your code here... I note that: (1) Changing existing code (esp in base packages) creates considerable problems. Because code (not just CRAN packages) may depend on whatever is being changed. (2) The word "Blush" may also offend someone. Blush is a type of makeup, often tested on animals. Hence, we go around in a circle.