On 12/11/2019 2:56 p.m., Jim Lemon wrote:> I thought about this and did a little study of GWAS and the use of > p-values to assess significant associations. As Ana's plot begins at > values of about 0.001, this seems to imply that almost everything in > the genome is associated to some degree. One expects that most SNPs > will not be associated with a particular condition (p~1), so perhaps > something is going wrong in the calculations that produce the > p-values.I may be misunderstanding your last sentence, but if there is no association, the p-value would usually have a uniform distribution from 0 to 1, it wouldn't be near 1. I'd guess we're not seeing the p values from every test, only those that are less than 0.001. If that's true, and there are no effects, it makes sense to multiply all of them by 1000 to get U(0,1) values. On the plot, that would correspond to subtracting 3 from -log10(p), or adding 3 to the reference line, as Ana requested. Or just multiply them by 1000 and pass them to qq(): qq(dd$P*1000, main = "Q-Q plot of small GWAS p-values") As far as I can see, there's no way to tell qqman::qq to move the reference line. Duncan Murdoch> > Jim > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:28 AM Patrick (Malone Quantitative) > <malone at malonequantitative.com> wrote: >> >> I agree with Abby. That would defeat the purpose of a QQ plot. >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 9:54 PM Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I'm not familiar with the qqman package, or GWAS studies. >>> However, my guess would be that you're *not* supposed to change the >>> position of the line. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ana Marija <sokovic.anamarija at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was using this library, qqman >>>> https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/qqman/vignettes/qqman.html >>>> >>>> to create QQ plot, attached. How would I change this default abline to >>>> start from the beginning of my QQ line? >>>> >>>> This is my code: >>>> qq(dd$P, main = "Q-Q plot of GWAS p-values") >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Ana >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>> >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >
Hi Duncan, yes I choose for QQ plot only P<1e-3 and multiplying everything with 1000 works great! This should not in my understanding influence the interpretation of the plot, it is only changing the scale of axis. Thank you so much, Ana On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:51 PM Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:> > On 12/11/2019 2:56 p.m., Jim Lemon wrote: > > I thought about this and did a little study of GWAS and the use of > > p-values to assess significant associations. As Ana's plot begins at > > values of about 0.001, this seems to imply that almost everything in > > the genome is associated to some degree. One expects that most SNPs > > will not be associated with a particular condition (p~1), so perhaps > > something is going wrong in the calculations that produce the > > p-values. > > I may be misunderstanding your last sentence, but if there is no > association, the p-value would usually have a uniform distribution from > 0 to 1, it wouldn't be near 1. > > I'd guess we're not seeing the p values from every test, only those that > are less than 0.001. If that's true, and there are no effects, it makes > sense to multiply all of them by 1000 to get U(0,1) values. On the > plot, that would correspond to subtracting 3 from -log10(p), or adding 3 > to the reference line, as Ana requested. > > Or just multiply them by 1000 and pass them to qq(): > > qq(dd$P*1000, main = "Q-Q plot of small GWAS p-values") > > As far as I can see, there's no way to tell qqman::qq to move the > reference line. > > Duncan Murdoch > > > > > Jim > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:28 AM Patrick (Malone Quantitative) > > <malone at malonequantitative.com> wrote: > >> > >> I agree with Abby. That would defeat the purpose of a QQ plot. > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 9:54 PM Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> I'm not familiar with the qqman package, or GWAS studies. > >>> However, my guess would be that you're *not* supposed to change the > >>> position of the line. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ana Marija <sokovic.anamarija at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I was using this library, qqman > >>>> https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/qqman/vignettes/qqman.html > >>>> > >>>> to create QQ plot, attached. How would I change this default abline to > >>>> start from the beginning of my QQ line? > >>>> > >>>> This is my code: > >>>> qq(dd$P, main = "Q-Q plot of GWAS p-values") > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Ana > >>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide > >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide > >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >>> > >> > >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Just do I need to change the axis when I multiply with 1000 and what should I put on my axis? On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:07 PM Ana Marija <sokovic.anamarija at gmail.com> wrote:> > Hi Duncan, > > yes I choose for QQ plot only P<1e-3 and multiplying everything with > 1000 works great! > This should not in my understanding influence the interpretation of > the plot, it is only changing the scale of axis. > > Thank you so much, > Ana > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:51 PM Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 12/11/2019 2:56 p.m., Jim Lemon wrote: > > > I thought about this and did a little study of GWAS and the use of > > > p-values to assess significant associations. As Ana's plot begins at > > > values of about 0.001, this seems to imply that almost everything in > > > the genome is associated to some degree. One expects that most SNPs > > > will not be associated with a particular condition (p~1), so perhaps > > > something is going wrong in the calculations that produce the > > > p-values. > > > > I may be misunderstanding your last sentence, but if there is no > > association, the p-value would usually have a uniform distribution from > > 0 to 1, it wouldn't be near 1. > > > > I'd guess we're not seeing the p values from every test, only those that > > are less than 0.001. If that's true, and there are no effects, it makes > > sense to multiply all of them by 1000 to get U(0,1) values. On the > > plot, that would correspond to subtracting 3 from -log10(p), or adding 3 > > to the reference line, as Ana requested. > > > > Or just multiply them by 1000 and pass them to qq(): > > > > qq(dd$P*1000, main = "Q-Q plot of small GWAS p-values") > > > > As far as I can see, there's no way to tell qqman::qq to move the > > reference line. > > > > Duncan Murdoch > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:28 AM Patrick (Malone Quantitative) > > > <malone at malonequantitative.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> I agree with Abby. That would defeat the purpose of a QQ plot. > > >> > > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 9:54 PM Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi > > >>> > > >>> I'm not familiar with the qqman package, or GWAS studies. > > >>> However, my guess would be that you're *not* supposed to change the > > >>> position of the line. > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ana Marija <sokovic.anamarija at gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> I was using this library, qqman > > >>>> https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/qqman/vignettes/qqman.html > > >>>> > > >>>> to create QQ plot, attached. How would I change this default abline to > > >>>> start from the beginning of my QQ line? > > >>>> > > >>>> This is my code: > > >>>> qq(dd$P, main = "Q-Q plot of GWAS p-values") > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> Ana > > >>>> ______________________________________________ > > >>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > >>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide > > >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > >>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > >>> > > >>> ______________________________________________ > > >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide > > >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > >>> > > >> > > >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________ > > >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.