R devel - May 2020 - paste(character(0), collapse="", recycle0=FALSE) should be ""

Totally agree with that.

H.

On 5/15/20 10:34, William Dunlap via R-devel wrote:
> I agree: paste(collapse="something", ...) should always return a
single
> character string, regardless of the value of recycle0.  This would be
> similar to when there are no non-NULL arguments to paste;
collapse="."
> gives a single empty string and collapse=NULL gives a zero long character
> vector.
>> paste()
> character(0)
>> paste(collapse=", ")
> [1] ""
> 
> Bill Dunlap
> TIBCO Software
> wdunlap tibco.com
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:56 PM suharto_anggono--- via R-devel <
> r-devel at r-project.org> wrote:
> 
>> Without 'collapse', 'paste' pastes (concatenates) its
arguments
>> elementwise (separated by 'sep', " " by default). New
in R devel and R
>> patched, specifying recycle0 = FALSE makes mixing zero-length and
>> nonzero-length arguments results in length zero. The result of paste(n,
>> "th", sep = "", recycle0 = FALSE) always have the
same length as 'n'.
>> Previously, the result is still as long as the longest argument, with
the
>> zero-length argument like "". If all og the arguments have
length zero,
>> 'recycle0' doesn't matter.
>>
>> As far as I understand, 'paste' with 'collapse' as a
character string is
>> supposed to put together elements of a vector into a single character
>> string. I think 'recycle0' shouldn't change it.
>>
>> In current R devel and R patched, paste(character(0), collapse =
"",
>> recycle0 = FALSE) is character(0). I think it should be "",
like
>> paste(character(0), collapse="").
>>
>> paste(c("4", "5"), "th", sep =
"", collapse = ", ", recycle0 = FALSE)
>> is
>> "4th, 5th".
>> paste(c("4"     ), "th", sep = "",
collapse = ", ", recycle0 = FALSE)
>> is
>> "4th".
>> I think
>> paste(c(        ), "th", sep = "", collapse =
", ", recycle0 = FALSE)
>> should be
>> "",
>> not character(0).
>>
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Hi all,

This makes sense to me, but I would think that recycle0 and collapse should
actually be incompatible and paste should throw an error if recycle0 were
TRUE and collapse were declared in the same call. I don't think the value
of recycle0 should be silently ignored if it is actively specified.

~G

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:05 AM Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org>
wrote:
> Totally agree with that.
>
> H.
>
> On 5/15/20 10:34, William Dunlap via R-devel wrote:
> > I agree: paste(collapse="something", ...) should always
return a single
> > character string, regardless of the value of recycle0.  This would be
> > similar to when there are no non-NULL arguments to paste;
collapse="."
> > gives a single empty string and collapse=NULL gives a zero long
character
> > vector.
> >> paste()
> > character(0)
> >> paste(collapse=", ")
> > [1] ""
> >
> > Bill Dunlap
> > TIBCO Software
> > wdunlap tibco.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:56 PM suharto_anggono--- via R-devel <
> > r-devel at r-project.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Without 'collapse', 'paste' pastes (concatenates)
its arguments
> >> elementwise (separated by 'sep', " " by
default). New in R devel and R
> >> patched, specifying recycle0 = FALSE makes mixing zero-length and
> >> nonzero-length arguments results in length zero. The result of
paste(n,
> >> "th", sep = "", recycle0 = FALSE) always have
the same length as 'n'.
> >> Previously, the result is still as long as the longest argument,
with
> the
> >> zero-length argument like "". If all og the arguments
have length zero,
> >> 'recycle0' doesn't matter.
> >>
> >> As far as I understand, 'paste' with 'collapse' as
a character string is
> >> supposed to put together elements of a vector into a single
character
> >> string. I think 'recycle0' shouldn't change it.
> >>
> >> In current R devel and R patched, paste(character(0), collapse =
"",
> >> recycle0 = FALSE) is character(0). I think it should be
"", like
> >> paste(character(0), collapse="").
> >>
> >> paste(c("4", "5"), "th", sep =
"", collapse = ", ", recycle0 = FALSE)
> >> is
> >> "4th, 5th".
> >> paste(c("4"     ), "th", sep = "",
collapse = ", ", recycle0 = FALSE)
> >> is
> >> "4th".
> >> I think
> >> paste(c(        ), "th", sep = "", collapse =
", ", recycle0 = FALSE)
> >> should be
> >> "",
> >> not character(0).
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> R-devel at r-project.org mailing list
> >>
>
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There is still the situation where **both** 'sep' and 'collapse'
are
specified:

   > paste(integer(0), "nth", sep="",
collapse=",")
   [1] "nth"

In that case 'recycle0' should **not** be ignored i.e.

   paste(integer(0), "nth", sep="", collapse=",",
recycle0=TRUE)

should return the empty string (and not character(0) like it does at the 
moment).

In other words, 'recycle0' should only control the first operation (the 
operation controlled by 'sep'). Which makes plenty of sense: the 1st 
operation is binary (or n-ary) while the collapse operation is unary. 
There is no concept of recycling in the context of unary operations.

H.

On 5/15/20 11:25, Gabriel Becker wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This makes sense to me, but I would think that recycle0 and collapse 
> should actually be incompatible and paste should throw an error if 
> recycle0 were TRUE and collapse were declared in the same call. I don't
> think the value of recycle0 should be silently ignored if it is actively 
> specified.
> 
> ~G
> 
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:05 AM Herv? Pag?s <hpages at fredhutch.org 
> <mailto:hpages at fredhutch.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Totally agree with that.
> 
>     H.
> 
>     On 5/15/20 10:34, William Dunlap via R-devel wrote:
>      > I agree: paste(collapse="something", ...) should always
return a
>     single
>      > character string, regardless of the value of recycle0.? This
would be
>      > similar to when there are no non-NULL arguments to paste;
>     collapse="."
>      > gives a single empty string and collapse=NULL gives a zero long
>     character
>      > vector.
>      >> paste()
>      > character(0)
>      >> paste(collapse=", ")
>      > [1] ""
>      >
>      > Bill Dunlap
>      > TIBCO Software
>      > wdunlap tibco.com
>    
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>      > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:56 PM suharto_anggono--- via R-devel
<
>      > r-devel at r-project.org <mailto:r-devel at
r-project.org>> wrote:
>      >
>      >> Without 'collapse', 'paste' pastes
(concatenates) its arguments
>      >> elementwise (separated by 'sep', " " by
default). New in R devel
>     and R
>      >> patched, specifying recycle0 = FALSE makes mixing zero-length
and
>      >> nonzero-length arguments results in length zero. The result
of
>     paste(n,
>      >> "th", sep = "", recycle0 = FALSE) always
have the same length as
>     'n'.
>      >> Previously, the result is still as long as the longest
argument,
>     with the
>      >> zero-length argument like "". If all og the
arguments have
>     length zero,
>      >> 'recycle0' doesn't matter.
>      >>
>      >> As far as I understand, 'paste' with
'collapse' as a character
>     string is
>      >> supposed to put together elements of a vector into a single
>     character
>      >> string. I think 'recycle0' shouldn't change it.
>      >>
>      >> In current R devel and R patched, paste(character(0),
collapse = "",
>      >> recycle0 = FALSE) is character(0). I think it should be
"", like
>      >> paste(character(0), collapse="").
>      >>
>      >> paste(c("4", "5"), "th", sep =
"", collapse = ", ", recycle0 >     FALSE)
>      >> is
>      >> "4th, 5th".
>      >> paste(c("4"? ? ?), "th", sep =
"", collapse = ", ", recycle0 >     FALSE)
>      >> is
>      >> "4th".
>      >> I think
>      >> paste(c(? ? ? ? ), "th", sep = "",
collapse = ", ", recycle0 >     FALSE)
>      >> should be
>      >> "",
>      >> not character(0).
>      >>
>      >> ______________________________________________
>      >> R-devel at r-project.org <mailto:R-devel at
r-project.org> mailing list
>      >>
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