Hi list I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! I will give a try to windows tools.... The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve server deployments?!? Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try and nothing happen! So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... Sorry! But it's time to shift! Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... Sorry for outburst! -- Gilberto Ferreira +55 (47) 9676-7530 Skype: gilberto.nunes36
Am 27.09.2016 um 21:02 schrieb Gilberto Nunes via samba:> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > I will give a try to windows tools.... > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > server deployments?!? > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try > and nothing happen!when you don't like a console maybe linux is not your OS on windows a feel pure hate because there is no useable console> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! > We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead.....if "it magically works without any control" is good enough for you maybe windows is the right thing - when i look at a simple windows 10 installation that needs as much storage as most of our servers together for just have a edge-browser and nothing else - well, i could puke and i had enough of any windows installation around 10 years ago yes it was a hard way, it took time, it took try out many things - but compared to a server which acts like a blackbox - fine if it's good enough for you - before i ever in my live setup a windows machine (and the same for apple) i just leave the IT as a whole,,,,
Hello man, Samba is not Linix, samba is a project by free license. Linux is a S/O too free license and not service, the samba is a software with source code open, the windows AD code probabely content code like a samba before the AD code is not open and anyone developer or enginear cold be use the code and logic in the code. Linux = S/O Samba is not Linux, samba is Free... But i have the philosophy, i use what works. 2016-09-27 17:37 GMT-03:00 Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>:> > Am 27.09.2016 um 21:02 schrieb Gilberto Nunes via samba: > >> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active >> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! >> I will give a try to windows tools.... >> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve >> server deployments?!? >> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try >> and nothing happen! >> > > when you don't like a console maybe linux is not your OS > on windows a feel pure hate because there is no useable console > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... >> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came >> on! >> We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >> >> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... >> > > if "it magically works without any control" is good enough for you maybe > windows is the right thing - when i look at a simple windows 10 > installation that needs as much storage as most of our servers together for > just have a edge-browser and nothing else - well, i could puke and i had > enough of any windows installation around 10 years ago > > yes it was a hard way, it took time, it took try out many things - but > compared to a server which acts like a blackbox - fine if it's good enough > for you - before i ever in my live setup a windows machine (and the same > for apple) i just leave the IT as a whole,,,, > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba >-- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> Hi list > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > I will give a try to windows tools.... > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > server deployments?!?Improve what?> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try > and nothing happen! >If you like to be insulated from how things work and enjoy cryptic error messages like "the system encountered an error", paying for some 3rd party programs do allow you do do performance adjustments you would otherwise be able to do (in Linux) if you decided to put the time to learn, maybe Microsoft is the right way for you. I, on the other hand: - Have to run Firefox to find out why Internet Explorer was not accessing a given url because IE gives me no useful error messages. - Realize that no matter the relationship between Microsoft and Samba, the Redmond business will never tell the open source group everything about its SMB implementation. - Notice that many technologies used in Microsoft came from Unix or open source projects, which are then modified internally (MIT Kerberos and docker anyone?). Try doing proper network analysis in Windows to hunt down latency using Microsoft products and let me know how far you get. - Prefer to manage Windows servers using (gasp!) command line, specifically powershell! Since you are scared of "consoles," powershell sure is not for you. - Do not like to be locked in one ecosystem - Do not understand why Windows server 2012 requires 40GB just to run. - Believe rebooting a server to see if that fix things is not proper systems management. I manage Windows and Linux servers; guess which ones require way more hand holding?> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! > We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >Just to let you know, it is very easy to be a mediocre Windows system admin and put together a few servers that will work well enough. Just click and click and click and talk to the paperclip and all will work. But, to be really good, you have to be able to do all those things you dread about Linux. And even then you are fighting an uphill battle because Microsoft does not publish the real performance details of their implementations.> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... >At the mediocre level, sure. At a real expert level, not a chance. I know a few expert Windows managers and you are not at their level. Don't take that as a personal insult, but it takes years and lots of work to get at their level. And, IMHO they are as skilled as an equivalent Linux manager. Now, the beauty about using Microsoft products is the reliability expectation from your users is much lower than for Unix/Linux.> Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... > > BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... > > Sorry for outburst! > > > -- > > Gilberto Ferreira > +55 (47) 9676-7530 > Skype: gilberto.nunes36 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>> don't get me wrong but i don't need any education what linux istake easy man!I do not want to discuss your skills, but a lot of people on the list that confuses the concepts. 2016-09-27 18:19 GMT-03:00 Mauricio Tavares via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>:> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Gilberto Nunes via samba > <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > > Hi list > > > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > > I will give a try to windows tools.... > > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > > server deployments?!? > > Improve what? > > > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and > try > > and nothing happen! > > > If you like to be insulated from how things work and enjoy > cryptic error messages like "the system encountered an error", paying > for some 3rd party programs do allow you do do performance adjustments > you would otherwise be able to do (in Linux) if you decided to put the > time to learn, maybe Microsoft is the right way for you. > > I, on the other hand: > > - Have to run Firefox to find out why Internet Explorer was not > accessing a given url because IE gives me no useful error messages. > - Realize that no matter the relationship between Microsoft and Samba, > the Redmond business will never tell the open source group everything > about its SMB implementation. > - Notice that many technologies used in Microsoft came from Unix or > open source projects, which are then modified internally (MIT Kerberos > and docker anyone?). Try doing proper network analysis in Windows to > hunt down latency using Microsoft products and let me know how far you > get. > - Prefer to manage Windows servers using (gasp!) command line, > specifically powershell! Since you are scared of "consoles," > powershell sure is not for you. > - Do not like to be locked in one ecosystem > - Do not understand why Windows server 2012 requires 40GB just to run. > - Believe rebooting a server to see if that fix things is not proper > systems management. > > I manage Windows and Linux servers; guess which ones require way more > hand holding? > > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came > on! > > We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > > Just to let you know, it is very easy to be a mediocre Windows > system admin and put together a few servers that will work well > enough. Just click and click and click and talk to the paperclip and > all will work. But, to be really good, you have to be able to do all > those things you dread about Linux. And even then you are fighting an > uphill battle because Microsoft does not publish the real performance > details of their implementations. > > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > > At the mediocre level, sure. At a real expert level, not a > chance. I know a few expert Windows managers and you are not at their > level. Don't take that as a personal insult, but it takes years and > lots of work to get at their level. And, IMHO they are as skilled as > an equivalent Linux manager. > > Now, the beauty about using Microsoft products is the reliability > expectation from your users is much lower than for Unix/Linux. > > > Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > > > Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... > > > > BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... > > > > Sorry for outburst! > > > > > > -- > > > > Gilberto Ferreira > > +55 (47) 9676-7530 > > Skype: gilberto.nunes36 > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba >-- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300 Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> Hi list > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > I will give a try to windows tools.... > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > server deployments?!? > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > and try and nothing happen! > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but > came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > Sorry! But it's time to shift!Better late than never. I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional CIFS_AD_DFS solution. Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like Powershell or Visual Basic. These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's wrong if you don't look at your logs. Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet? That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration in that one silly flatfile smb.conf. I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server! SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28
> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a > console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional > CIFS_AD_DFS solution.If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember..... EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc. Which ... Or gets an ip number of a windows server. Or needed to access the server. Or routes/passes it.. <<< ofter forgoten.. NEEDS A LICENCE. Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the server.. For me, i save about 12 windows servers and licencing for it. I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example. My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB. Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted /dev/xvda1 6.0G 993M 4.7G 18% / A clean windows install is 30-40GB .. So in the end you save a lot. Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc. You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min. I can with debian and samba. About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba. And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers and boot up. Done. Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM licences and not RETAIL. But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free. But if you compair compair the right way.> > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > > and try and nothing happenYes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest. This is why i script my installs.> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > mouse clicksBecause it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security problems.. less problems in general. Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me. Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server beside the security updates and reboot when needed. I'm a happy console user for long time now.. And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for you and your abilities. Greetz, Louis> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via > samba > Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01 > Aan: samba at lists.samba.org > Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!? > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300 > Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > > > Hi list > > > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > > I will give a try to windows tools.... > > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > > server deployments?!? > > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > > and try and nothing happen! > > > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but > > came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > > > Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > Better late than never. > > I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a > console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional > CIFS_AD_DFS solution. > > Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen > scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like > Powershell or Visual Basic. > > These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but > that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity > to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit > breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba > servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's > wrong if you don't look at your logs. > > Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real > workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet? > That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration > in that one silly flatfile smb.conf. > > I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but > instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server! > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Am 28.09.2016 um 04:01 schrieb Steve Litt via samba:> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen > scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like > Powershell or Visual Basic*lol* why would ANYBODY click in a GUI when he have a console - and i mean that really serious after been a clickmonkey until 2006
Oh come on, guys! I am not saying who is better here, Linux, samba or Windows. I am well aware about what OS is more solid etc... I am just saying that in an enterprise grade, we need more professional tools and better, needs tools that almost anybody in your staff can handle, if you become unavailable, for some reasons like a flu or whatever... That is it! I love Linux/samba and other open-source tools and I will continue use it! But for now and inside enterprise, at least for some environment, I will use Microsoft. Beside, in an enterprise environment, you would probably not concern about who is pay the bill related Cal license or whatever! They, the guys who owner the company and, mainly, the IT Manager wants the job done quickly and well. Consider for a moment the data center Windows server 2012. With one payed server, you have unlimited VM's installed. This kill for good Proxmox for example, a tool that I really love!!! Just this example worth to paid license. Samba, Linux, and many other open-source tools are very cool, believe me. But sometimes, you just need save your job and going forward.... That's it! On Sep 28, 2016 4:40 AM, "L.P.H. van Belle via samba" <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a > console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional > CIFS_AD_DFS solution.If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember..... EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc. Which ... Or gets an ip number of a windows server. Or needed to access the server. Or routes/passes it.. <<< ofter forgoten.. NEEDS A LICENCE. Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the server.. For me, i save about 12 windows servers and licencing for it. I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example. My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB. Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted /dev/xvda1 6.0G 993M 4.7G 18% / A clean windows install is 30-40GB .. So in the end you save a lot. Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc. You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min. I can with debian and samba. About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba. And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers and boot up. Done. Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM licences and not RETAIL. But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free. But if you compair compair the right way.> > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > > and try and nothing happenYes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest. This is why i script my installs.> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > mouse clicksBecause it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security problems.. less problems in general. Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me. Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server beside the security updates and reboot when needed. I'm a happy console user for long time now.. And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for you and your abilities. Greetz, Louis> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via > samba > Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01 > Aan: samba at lists.samba.org > Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!? > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300 > Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > > > Hi list > > > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > > I will give a try to windows tools.... > > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > > server deployments?!? > > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try > > and try and nothing happen! > > > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but > > came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > > > Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > Better late than never. > > I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a > console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional > CIFS_AD_DFS solution. > > Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of > mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen > scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like > Powershell or Visual Basic. > > These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but > that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity > to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit > breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba > servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's > wrong if you don't look at your logs. > > Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real > workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet? > That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration > in that one silly flatfile smb.conf. > > I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but > instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server! > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba-- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Okay, can we ban the troll already? On 2016-09-28 10:58, Gilberto Nunes via samba wrote:> Oh come on, guys! > I am not saying who is better here, Linux, samba or Windows. I am well > aware about what OS is more solid etc... > I am just saying that in an enterprise grade, we need more professional > tools and better, needs tools that almost anybody in your staff can > handle, if you become unavailable, for some reasons like a flu or > whatever... > That is it! > I love Linux/samba and other open-source tools and I will continue use it! > But for now and inside enterprise, at least for some environment, I will > use Microsoft. > Beside, in an enterprise environment, you would probably not concern about > who is pay the bill related Cal license or whatever! > They, the guys who owner the company and, mainly, the IT Manager wants the > job done quickly and well. > Consider for a moment the data center Windows server 2012. With one payed > server, you have unlimited VM's installed. > This kill for good Proxmox for example, a tool that I really love!!! > Just this example worth to paid license. > Samba, Linux, and many other open-source tools are very cool, believe me. > But sometimes, you just need save your job and going forward.... > That's it! > On Sep 28, 2016 4:40 AM, "L.P.H. van Belle via samba" <samba at lists.samba.org> > wrote: > >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution. > > If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember..... > > EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc. > Which ... > Or gets an ip number of a windows server. > Or needed to access the server. > Or routes/passes it.. <<< ofter forgoten.. > > NEEDS A LICENCE. > Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the server.. > > For me, i save about > 12 windows servers and licencing for it. > I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example. > > My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB. > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted > /dev/xvda1 6.0G 993M 4.7G 18% / > > > A clean windows install is 30-40GB .. > So in the end you save a lot. > Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc. > You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min. > I can with debian and samba. > About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba. > > And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers > and boot up. Done. > Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM > licences and not RETAIL. > But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free. > But if you compair compair the right way. > >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try >>> and try and nothing happen > Yes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest. > This is why i script my installs. > > >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of >> mouse clicks > Because it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security > problems.. less problems in general. > > Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me. > Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server beside > the security updates and reboot when needed. > > I'm a happy console user for long time now.. > > And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for you > and your abilities. > > > Greetz, > > Louis > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via >> samba >> Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01 >> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org >> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!? >> >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300 >> Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi list >>> >>> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active >>> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! >>> I will give a try to windows tools.... >>> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve >>> server deployments?!? >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try >>> and try and nothing happen! >>> >>> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... >>> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but >>> came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >>> >>> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... >>> >>> Sorry! But it's time to shift! >> >> Better late than never. >> >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution. >> >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of >> mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen >> scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like >> Powershell or Visual Basic. >> >> These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but >> that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity >> to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit >> breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba >> servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's >> wrong if you don't look at your logs. >> >> Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real >> workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet? >> That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration >> in that one silly flatfile smb.conf. >> >> I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but >> instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server! >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >> instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba >-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, / Best Regards, Sven Schwedas, Systemadministrator Mail/XMPP sven.schwedas at tao.at | Skype sven.schwedas TAO Digital | Lendplatz 45 | A8020 Graz https://www.tao-digital.at | Tel +43 680 301 7167 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 09/27/2016 04:37 PM, Reindl Harald via samba wrote:> > Am 27.09.2016 um 21:02 schrieb Gilberto Nunes via samba: >> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active >> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! >> I will give a try to windows tools.... >> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve >> server deployments?!? >> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try >> and try >> and nothing happen! > > when you don't like a console maybe linux is not your OS > on windows a feel pure hate because there is no useable console > >> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... >> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but >> came on! >> We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >> >> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > if "it magically works without any control" is good enough for you > maybe windows is the right thing - when i look at a simple windows 10 > installation that needs as much storage as most of our servers > together for just have a edge-browser and nothing else - well, i could > puke and i had enough of any windows installation around 10 years ago > > yes it was a hard way, it took time, it took try out many things - but > compared to a server which acts like a blackbox - fine if it's good > enough for you - before i ever in my live setup a windows machine (and > the same for apple) i just leave the IT as a whole,,,, >Not to mention the thousands and thousands of dollars spent on licensing fees over the years! I started installing Windows desktops and servers back in the pre-AD, NT4 days, and every time I turned around Microsoft was wanting licensing fees. I started learning about Linux in the Red Hat 4.x days. Yes, it took time to understand command line, but I had the advantage of having understood DOS before. As I understand it (and, I'm sure I'm wrong), Samba was developed WITHOUT help from Microsoft. We all know how willingly proprietary companies share their code - "how to connect to your server, printer, etc." You have to make your own choice. I got tired of being treated like an idiot by Microsoft and tired of paying the "Microsoft Tax," so I jumped ship for Linux, and everywhere I can, I use an alternative like Samba. From your lament, it sounds like there's something to do with "shares" that you haven't understood yet. Until you tell us what you're trying to do, no one can help you (or, maybe, I missed that previously) It may not be as difficult as you imagine once you (we) understand what it is you're trying to do and you do it right.
On 09/27/2016 05:19 PM, Mauricio Tavares via samba wrote:> > I, on the other hand: > > - Have to run Firefox to find out why Internet Explorer was not > accessing a given url because IE gives me no useful error messages. > - Realize that no matter the relationship between Microsoft and Samba, > the Redmond business will never tell the open source group everything > about its SMB implementation. > - Notice that many technologies used in Microsoft came from Unix or > open source projects, which are then modified internally (MIT Kerberos > and docker anyone?). Try doing proper network analysis in Windows to > hunt down latency using Microsoft products and let me know how far you > get. > - Prefer to manage Windows servers using (gasp!) command line, > specifically powershell! Since you are scared of "consoles," > powershell sure is not for you. > - Do not like to be locked in one ecosystem > - Do not understand why Windows server 2012 requires 40GB just to run. > - Believe rebooting a server to see if that fix things is not proper > systems management. > > I manage Windows and Linux servers; guess which ones require way more > hand holding? > >> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... >> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! >> We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >> > Just to let you know, it is very easy to be a mediocre Windows > system admin and put together a few servers that will work well > enough. Just click and click and click and talk to the paperclip and > all will work. But, to be really good, you have to be able to do all > those things you dread about Linux. And even then you are fighting an > uphill battle because Microsoft does not publish the real performance > details of their implementations. > >> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... >> > At the mediocre level, sure. At a real expert level, not a > chance. I know a few expert Windows managers and you are not at their > level. Don't take that as a personal insult, but it takes years and > lots of work to get at their level. And, IMHO they are as skilled as > an equivalent Linux manager. > > Now, the beauty about using Microsoft products is the reliability > expectation from your users is much lower than for Unix/Linux. > >> Sorry! But it's time to shift! >> >> Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... >> >> BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... >> >> Sorry for outburst! >> >>Exactly right, Mauricio! I've encountered the same problems you describe.
Hi Gilberto; Bye Byee 2016-09-27 22:02 GMT+03:00 Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>:> Hi list > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > I will give a try to windows tools.... > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > server deployments?!? > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try > and nothing happen! > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! > We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... > > BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... > > Sorry for outburst! > > > -- > > Gilberto Ferreira > +55 (47) 9676-7530 > Skype: gilberto.nunes36 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Hein guys... I already said before: I LOVE LINUX! And indeed, I use it in my desktop, here in my work and my home as well! And I thing this debate is very very good to improve what we have today! 2016-09-28 8:12 GMT-03:00 barış tombul <bbtombul at gmail.com>:> Hi Gilberto; > Bye Byee > > 2016-09-27 22:02 GMT+03:00 Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org > >: > >> Hi list >> >> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active >> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! >> I will give a try to windows tools.... >> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve >> server deployments?!? >> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try >> and nothing happen! >> >> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... >> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came >> on! >> We have a hard way to do thing works properly... >> >> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... >> >> Sorry! But it's time to shift! >> >> Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... >> >> BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... >> >> Sorry for outburst! >> >> >> -- >> >> Gilberto Ferreira >> +55 (47) 9676-7530 >> Skype: gilberto.nunes36 >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >> instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > >-- Gilberto Ferreira +55 (47) 9676-7530 Skype: gilberto.nunes36
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> Hi list > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > I will give a try to windows tools.... > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > server deployments?!? > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try > and nothing happen! > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! > We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead.....Fir the first week, it looks straightforward. Then you try to use it, and find the standards violating spaghetti under the hood. Even simple things like reverse DNS integration with dynamic DNS, are a nightmare and a half and sensitive to the exact order you do the same operations. The DNS backups are not even valid DNS zone files because the SOA is not first and they don't set the default zone before they start referring to it as ".".. And do not get me *started* on the completely broken mishandling of PTR, where they support multiple PTR records for the sam eIP address.> Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... > > BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... > > Sorry for outburst!It's a fairly pretty and even intuitive GUI for undemanding environments. Like many Microsoft GUI's, it does the first 80% of the job. Then the remaining details that have to be worked around take the other 120% of the job.> -- > > Gilberto Ferreira > +55 (47) 9676-7530 > Skype: gilberto.nunes36 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Hi Gliberto, and thank you for this lambent sparkle ofinfiniteholywar. This thread made my day. Do not go gentle into that good night... Actualy, I don't recall that samba was ever made to REPLACE windows services, samba is a tool to combine Windows systems and *nix systems, it has pros and cons, butin totalit rocks. If you have found the other and better way to authorize, authenticate and share files for windows users on *nix side, please let us know. I can't wait to try this new unknown software. On 27.09.2016 22:02, Gilberto Nunes via samba wrote:> Hi list > > I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active > Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path! > I will give a try to windows tools.... > The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve > server deployments?!? > Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try and try > and nothing happen! > > So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers... > I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but came on! > We have a hard way to do thing works properly... > > In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead..... > > Sorry! But it's time to shift! > > Or, perhaps, I am just do wrong things all this time.... > > BTW, I will give a try to other ways.... > > Sorry for outburst! > >-- C уважением, Петров Андрей ---------------------- Email: petrov at solid-it.ru tel: +79261813797