Joseph Tam
2016-Oct-28 20:49 UTC
iPhone/iPad IMAP connection bursts causes user+IP exceeded
I frequently see this from my iPhone/iPad IMAP users:
Oct 24 21:30:55 server dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<user>, ...
[... repeated 10 times ...]
Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap-login: Maximum number of connections from
user+IP exceeded (mail_max_userip_connections=12): user=<user>
Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap(user): Logged out ...
[... repeated 11 times ...]
These bursts of logins/max/logouts would cycling on for a few minutes.
Googling this problem seems to turn up lots of similar complaints about
iOS mail mail clients. e.g.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2547839?tstart=0
iOS mail readers do not limit connections limit as other mailreaders
can. I could increase mail_max_userip_connections, but that just moves
the goal posts.
Using the new rawlog feature in 2.2.26 (thanks Dovecot team!), I was able
to see that these connection bursts are caused by clients doing global
searches. The rawlogs show each mailbox being SELECT'd and searched
(e.g. From header string):
1477369968.730450 2 ID ("name" "iPad Mail"
"version" "13G36" "os" "iOS"
"os-version" "9.3.5 (13G36)")
1477369968.781932 3 SELECT {mailbox}
1477369968.961636 4 UID SEARCH RETURN (COUNT) 1:* NOT DELETED
1477369969.006087 5 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) 1:* NOT DELETED
1477369969.052701 6 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) {search-term} NOT DELETED
1477369974.624153 7 LOGOUT
Questions:
1) How does this affect the user? I heard from one user that it
makes global searches unusable because his reader just spins its
wheel. I'm not sure whether this is impatience or this results
in failed searches.
2) Is there a client-side fix (e.g. connection limiting)?
Apple appears to be intransigent on addressing this.
3) Will maintaining search indices (e.g. solr) help with this?
Maybe the searches are taking too long and the connections pile
up waiting for previous searches to finish.
Thanks,
Joseph Tam <jtam.home at gmail.com>
Robert Giles
2017-Nov-03 20:19 UTC
iPhone/iPad IMAP connection bursts causes user+IP exceeded
Apologies for bumping Joseph Tam's rather old thread, but I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a workaround/fix for this problem that iOS Mail.app clients (10.3.3, 11.0.3, 11.1?) continue to exhibit? Robert On 10/28/2016 at 03:49 PM, Joseph Tam wrote:> I frequently see this from my iPhone/iPad IMAP users: > > ????Oct 24 21:30:55 server dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<user>, ... > ????[... repeated 10 times ...] > ????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap-login: Maximum number of > connections from user+IP exceeded (mail_max_userip_connections=12): > user=<user> > ????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap(user): Logged out ... > ????[... repeated 11 times ...] > > These bursts of logins/max/logouts would cycling on for a few minutes. > Googling this problem seems to turn up lots of similar complaints about > iOS mail mail clients. e.g. > > ????https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2547839?tstart=0 > > iOS mail readers do not limit connections limit as other mailreaders > can.? I could increase mail_max_userip_connections, but that just moves > the goal posts. > > Using the new rawlog feature in 2.2.26 (thanks Dovecot team!), I was able > to see that these connection bursts are caused by clients doing global > searches.? The rawlogs show each mailbox being SELECT'd and searched > (e.g. From header string): > > ????1477369968.730450 2 ID ("name" "iPad Mail" "version" "13G36" "os" > "iOS" "os-version" "9.3.5 (13G36)") > ????1477369968.781932 3 SELECT {mailbox} > ????1477369968.961636 4 UID SEARCH RETURN (COUNT) 1:* NOT DELETED > ????1477369969.006087 5 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) 1:* NOT DELETED > ????1477369969.052701 6 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) {search-term} NOT DELETED > ????1477369974.624153 7 LOGOUT > > Questions: > > ????1) How does this affect the user?? I heard from one user that it > ????makes global searches unusable because his reader just spins its > ????wheel.? I'm not sure whether this is impatience or this results > ????in failed searches. > > ????2) Is there a client-side fix (e.g. connection limiting)? > ????Apple appears to be intransigent on addressing this. > > ????3) Will maintaining search indices (e.g. solr) help with this? > ????Maybe the searches are taking too long and the connections pile > ????up waiting for previous searches to finish. > > Thanks, > Joseph Tam <jtam.home at gmail.com>-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4305 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: <https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20171103/ffa634f6/attachment.p7s>
David.M.Clark
2017-Nov-29 22:36 UTC
iPhone/iPad IMAP connection bursts causes user+IP exceeded
Re-e-mailing, sorry, just realised I replied to Robert, not the entire group :-( Robert just got this one today. A customer has phoned who has replaced or updated their Apple 'stuff' (including iPhone 8 just purchased) and the identical settings that work on the older Apple based devices, as well as Outlook based PCs, work fine with IMAP (internal port 143 and external port 10143), but the newer IOS based devices just do not work. iPhone 8 does not let you downgrade to earlier OS either, which is something the customer was thinking of doing. Once again either Apple or Microsoft have 'moved the goal posts' expecting everyone else in the world to be forced to move with them. They are reporting issues on-line also with MS server and Office 365 so will be hoping we have some kind of good result quickly from Apple as this will only get worse as more people update and find their e-mail is 'dead in the water'. On 04/11/17 06:19, Robert Giles wrote:> Apologies for bumping Joseph Tam's rather old thread, but I'm wondering > if anyone has come up with a workaround/fix for this problem that iOS > Mail.app clients (10.3.3, 11.0.3, 11.1?) continue to exhibit? > > Robert > > > > On 10/28/2016 at 03:49 PM, Joseph Tam wrote: >> I frequently see this from my iPhone/iPad IMAP users: >> >> ?????Oct 24 21:30:55 server dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<user>, ... >> ?????[... repeated 10 times ...] >> ?????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap-login: Maximum number of >> connections from user+IP exceeded (mail_max_userip_connections=12): >> user=<user> >> ?????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap(user): Logged out ... >> ?????[... repeated 11 times ...] >> >> These bursts of logins/max/logouts would cycling on for a few minutes. >> Googling this problem seems to turn up lots of similar complaints about >> iOS mail mail clients. e.g. >> >> ?????https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2547839?tstart=0 >> >> iOS mail readers do not limit connections limit as other mailreaders >> can.? I could increase mail_max_userip_connections, but that just moves >> the goal posts. >> >> Using the new rawlog feature in 2.2.26 (thanks Dovecot team!), I was able >> to see that these connection bursts are caused by clients doing global >> searches.? The rawlogs show each mailbox being SELECT'd and searched >> (e.g. From header string): >> >> ?????1477369968.730450 2 ID ("name" "iPad Mail" "version" "13G36" "os" >> "iOS" "os-version" "9.3.5 (13G36)") >> ?????1477369968.781932 3 SELECT {mailbox} >> ?????1477369968.961636 4 UID SEARCH RETURN (COUNT) 1:* NOT DELETED >> ?????1477369969.006087 5 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) 1:* NOT DELETED >> ?????1477369969.052701 6 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) {search-term} NOT >> DELETED >> ?????1477369974.624153 7 LOGOUT >> >> Questions: >> >> ?????1) How does this affect the user?? I heard from one user that it >> ?????makes global searches unusable because his reader just spins its >> ?????wheel.? I'm not sure whether this is impatience or this results >> ?????in failed searches. >> >> ?????2) Is there a client-side fix (e.g. connection limiting)? >> ?????Apple appears to be intransigent on addressing this. >> >> ?????3) Will maintaining search indices (e.g. solr) help with this? >> ?????Maybe the searches are taking too long and the connections pile >> ?????up waiting for previous searches to finish. >> >> Thanks, >> Joseph Tam <jtam.home at gmail.com> >-- As always, I remain at your service. Kindest Regards, David.M.Clark (Director - Senior Linux/UNIX Consultant) =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Davrom Consulting Pty Ltd Mobile: 0418763124 PO Box 1644, Sunnybank Hills, 4109 E-mail (Work): david at davrom.com ABN: 81 096 990 804 E-mail (Priv): dmc1961 at dmc1961.id.au Website: http://davrom.com Skype: dmc1961 Podcast: http://ldup.com.au Google: dmc1961 at gmail.com =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specialising in: Linux (Fedora/RedHat/CentOS), UNIX, SCO, MikroTik, Networking/Internet, E-mail/Web Technologies =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: Any e-mail communication bearing this signature is for the exclusive purpose of the sender and is not for publication without the expressed permission of the sender or respective sender's organisation. =--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
David.M.Clark
2017-Nov-29 22:40 UTC
iPhone/iPad IMAP connection bursts causes user+IP exceeded
Thanks for the reply and suggestion Robert. I have now set mail_max_userip_connections to 400 in 20-imap.conf to see if it makes any difference. Late yesterday the customer tested from his office, an older IOS 9 tablet and he had IMAP working in a matter of minutes, so is certainly an newer software version by Apple issue. On 30/11/17 03:03, Robert Giles wrote:> David, > > I'd say that if you set the mail_max_userip_connections value to a > large-ish number (300-400), your users likely won't notice an issue on > their iOS 10.x and iOS 11.x devices.? It's more of an annoyance in the > logs, and occasionally the iOS Mail app will show that it is stuck > checking mail for a few minutes (when the new max_userip_connections is > reached again, but with a large number, it happens much less frequently). > > Keep in mind max_userip applies to *authenticated* users, so a true, > malicious DoS situation is less likely. > > And yeah, I'm definitely tired of Apple going off and breaking their > software, because the blame always comes back on IT instead of Apple :( > > Robert > > > > On 2017-11-28 at 22:18, David.M.Clark wrote: >> Robert just got this one today. >> >> A customer has phoned who has replaced or updated their Apple 'stuff' >> (including iPhone 8 just purchased) and the identical settings that >> work on the older Apple based devices, as well as Outlook based PCs, >> work fine with IMAP (internal port 143 and external port 10143), but >> the newer IOS based devices just do not work. iPhone 8 does not let >> you downgrade to earlier OS either, which is something the customer >> was thinking of doing. >> >> Once again either Apple or Microsoft have 'moved the goal posts' >> expecting everyone else in the world to be forced to move with them. >> >> They are reporting issues on-line also with MS server and Office 365 >> so will be hoping we have some kind of good result quickly from Apple >> as this will only get worse as more people update and find their >> e-mail is 'dead in the water'. >> >> On 04/11/17 06:19, Robert Giles wrote: >>> Apologies for bumping Joseph Tam's rather old thread, but I'm >>> wondering if anyone has come up with a workaround/fix for this >>> problem that iOS Mail.app clients (10.3.3, 11.0.3, 11.1?) continue to >>> exhibit? >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/28/2016 at 03:49 PM, Joseph Tam wrote: >>>> I frequently see this from my iPhone/iPad IMAP users: >>>> >>>> ?????Oct 24 21:30:55 server dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<user>, >>>> ... >>>> ?????[... repeated 10 times ...] >>>> ?????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap-login: Maximum number of >>>> connections from user+IP exceeded (mail_max_userip_connections=12): >>>> user=<user> >>>> ?????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap(user): Logged out ... >>>> ?????[... repeated 11 times ...] >>>> >>>> These bursts of logins/max/logouts would cycling on for a few minutes. >>>> Googling this problem seems to turn up lots of similar complaints about >>>> iOS mail mail clients. e.g. >>>> >>>> ?????https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2547839?tstart=0 >>>> >>>> iOS mail readers do not limit connections limit as other mailreaders >>>> can.? I could increase mail_max_userip_connections, but that just moves >>>> the goal posts. >>>> >>>> Using the new rawlog feature in 2.2.26 (thanks Dovecot team!), I was >>>> able >>>> to see that these connection bursts are caused by clients doing global >>>> searches.? The rawlogs show each mailbox being SELECT'd and searched >>>> (e.g. From header string): >>>> >>>> ?????1477369968.730450 2 ID ("name" "iPad Mail" "version" "13G36" >>>> "os" "iOS" "os-version" "9.3.5 (13G36)") >>>> ?????1477369968.781932 3 SELECT {mailbox} >>>> ?????1477369968.961636 4 UID SEARCH RETURN (COUNT) 1:* NOT DELETED >>>> ?????1477369969.006087 5 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) 1:* NOT DELETED >>>> ?????1477369969.052701 6 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) {search-term} NOT >>>> DELETED >>>> ?????1477369974.624153 7 LOGOUT >>>> >>>> Questions: >>>> >>>> ?????1) How does this affect the user?? I heard from one user that it >>>> ?????makes global searches unusable because his reader just spins its >>>> ?????wheel.? I'm not sure whether this is impatience or this results >>>> ?????in failed searches. >>>> >>>> ?????2) Is there a client-side fix (e.g. connection limiting)? >>>> ?????Apple appears to be intransigent on addressing this. >>>> >>>> ?????3) Will maintaining search indices (e.g. solr) help with this? >>>> ?????Maybe the searches are taking too long and the connections pile >>>> ?????up waiting for previous searches to finish. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Joseph Tam <jtam.home at gmail.com> >>> >> >-- As always, I remain at your service. Kindest Regards, David.M.Clark (Director - Senior Linux/UNIX Consultant) =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Davrom Consulting Pty Ltd Mobile: 0418763124 PO Box 1644, Sunnybank Hills, 4109 E-mail (Work): david at davrom.com ABN: 81 096 990 804 E-mail (Priv): dmc1961 at dmc1961.id.au Website: http://davrom.com Skype: dmc1961 Podcast: http://ldup.com.au Google: dmc1961 at gmail.com =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specialising in: Linux (Fedora/RedHat/CentOS), UNIX, SCO, MikroTik, Networking/Internet, E-mail/Web Technologies =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: Any e-mail communication bearing this signature is for the exclusive purpose of the sender and is not for publication without the expressed permission of the sender or respective sender's organisation. =--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
David.M.Clark
2017-Nov-30 22:53 UTC
iPhone/iPad IMAP connection bursts causes user+IP exceeded
Update: I have modified mail_max_userip_connections to 400 which made no difference. The end user customer actually had Apple remote into their device and they were impressed that the end user knew their IMAP settings. They tested it and during this connection time, it worked as expected with send and receive of e-mails. After Apple support disconnected from the device, it not longer worked. The reseller I am supporting will ask them today to try something like "BlueMail" which is an app I use on my Samsung S8+ - as it is free in the Apple store and will determine if the Apple issue is with their e-mail app or comms itself from the phone. Will keep you all posted on the outcome. On 30/11/17 08:40, David.M.Clark wrote:> Thanks for the reply and suggestion Robert. > > I have now set mail_max_userip_connections to 400 in 20-imap.conf to see > if it makes any difference. > > Late yesterday the customer tested from his office, an older IOS 9 > tablet and he had IMAP working in a matter of minutes, so is certainly > an newer software version by Apple issue. > > On 30/11/17 03:03, Robert Giles wrote: >> David, >> >> I'd say that if you set the mail_max_userip_connections value to a >> large-ish number (300-400), your users likely won't notice an issue on >> their iOS 10.x and iOS 11.x devices.? It's more of an annoyance in the >> logs, and occasionally the iOS Mail app will show that it is stuck >> checking mail for a few minutes (when the new max_userip_connections >> is reached again, but with a large number, it happens much less >> frequently). >> >> Keep in mind max_userip applies to *authenticated* users, so a true, >> malicious DoS situation is less likely. >> >> And yeah, I'm definitely tired of Apple going off and breaking their >> software, because the blame always comes back on IT instead of Apple :( >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On 2017-11-28 at 22:18, David.M.Clark wrote: >>> Robert just got this one today. >>> >>> A customer has phoned who has replaced or updated their Apple 'stuff' >>> (including iPhone 8 just purchased) and the identical settings that >>> work on the older Apple based devices, as well as Outlook based PCs, >>> work fine with IMAP (internal port 143 and external port 10143), but >>> the newer IOS based devices just do not work. iPhone 8 does not let >>> you downgrade to earlier OS either, which is something the customer >>> was thinking of doing. >>> >>> Once again either Apple or Microsoft have 'moved the goal posts' >>> expecting everyone else in the world to be forced to move with them. >>> >>> They are reporting issues on-line also with MS server and Office 365 >>> so will be hoping we have some kind of good result quickly from Apple >>> as this will only get worse as more people update and find their >>> e-mail is 'dead in the water'. >>> >>> On 04/11/17 06:19, Robert Giles wrote: >>>> Apologies for bumping Joseph Tam's rather old thread, but I'm >>>> wondering if anyone has come up with a workaround/fix for this >>>> problem that iOS Mail.app clients (10.3.3, 11.0.3, 11.1?) continue >>>> to exhibit? >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/28/2016 at 03:49 PM, Joseph Tam wrote: >>>>> I frequently see this from my iPhone/iPad IMAP users: >>>>> >>>>> ?????Oct 24 21:30:55 server dovecot: imap-login: Login: >>>>> user=<user>, ... >>>>> ?????[... repeated 10 times ...] >>>>> ?????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap-login: Maximum number of >>>>> connections from user+IP exceeded (mail_max_userip_connections=12): >>>>> user=<user> >>>>> ?????Oct 24 21:32:54 server dovecot: imap(user): Logged out ... >>>>> ?????[... repeated 11 times ...] >>>>> >>>>> These bursts of logins/max/logouts would cycling on for a few minutes. >>>>> Googling this problem seems to turn up lots of similar complaints >>>>> about >>>>> iOS mail mail clients. e.g. >>>>> >>>>> ?????https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2547839?tstart=0 >>>>> >>>>> iOS mail readers do not limit connections limit as other mailreaders >>>>> can.? I could increase mail_max_userip_connections, but that just >>>>> moves >>>>> the goal posts. >>>>> >>>>> Using the new rawlog feature in 2.2.26 (thanks Dovecot team!), I >>>>> was able >>>>> to see that these connection bursts are caused by clients doing global >>>>> searches.? The rawlogs show each mailbox being SELECT'd and searched >>>>> (e.g. From header string): >>>>> >>>>> ?????1477369968.730450 2 ID ("name" "iPad Mail" "version" "13G36" >>>>> "os" "iOS" "os-version" "9.3.5 (13G36)") >>>>> ?????1477369968.781932 3 SELECT {mailbox} >>>>> ?????1477369968.961636 4 UID SEARCH RETURN (COUNT) 1:* NOT DELETED >>>>> ?????1477369969.006087 5 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) 1:* NOT DELETED >>>>> ?????1477369969.052701 6 UID SEARCH RETURN (ALL) {search-term} NOT >>>>> DELETED >>>>> ?????1477369974.624153 7 LOGOUT >>>>> >>>>> Questions: >>>>> >>>>> ?????1) How does this affect the user?? I heard from one user that it >>>>> ?????makes global searches unusable because his reader just spins its >>>>> ?????wheel.? I'm not sure whether this is impatience or this results >>>>> ?????in failed searches. >>>>> >>>>> ?????2) Is there a client-side fix (e.g. connection limiting)? >>>>> ?????Apple appears to be intransigent on addressing this. >>>>> >>>>> ?????3) Will maintaining search indices (e.g. solr) help with this? >>>>> ?????Maybe the searches are taking too long and the connections pile >>>>> ?????up waiting for previous searches to finish. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Joseph Tam <jtam.home at gmail.com> >>>> >>> >> >-- As always, I remain at your service. Kindest Regards, David.M.Clark (Director - Senior Linux/UNIX Consultant) =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Davrom Consulting Pty Ltd Mobile: 0418763124 PO Box 1644, Sunnybank Hills, 4109 E-mail (Work): david at davrom.com ABN: 81 096 990 804 E-mail (Priv): dmc1961 at dmc1961.id.au Website: http://davrom.com Skype: dmc1961 Podcast: http://ldup.com.au Google: dmc1961 at gmail.com =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specialising in: Linux (Fedora/RedHat/CentOS), UNIX, SCO, MikroTik, Networking/Internet, E-mail/Web Technologies =-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: Any e-mail communication bearing this signature is for the exclusive purpose of the sender and is not for publication without the expressed permission of the sender or respective sender's organisation. =--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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