________________________________ From: centos-virt-bounces at centos.org <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:17 AM To: Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS Subject: Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue More details on the subject: I suppose it is a nested KVM issue because it raised after I enabled the nested KVM feature. Without it, anyway, the second level VMs are unusable in terms of performance. I am using CentOS 7 with: kernel: 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64 qemu-kvm:1.5.3-105.el7_2.4 libvirt:1.2.17-13.el7_2.5 on both the baremetal and the compute VM. Please, post 1) # virsh dumpxml VM-L1 ( where on L1 level you expect nested KVM to appear) 2) Login into VM-L1 and run :- # lsmod | grep kvm 3) I need outputs from VM-L1 ( in case it is Compute Node ) # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode Boris. The only workaround now is to shutdown the compute VM and start it back from baremetal with virsh start. A simple restart of the compute node doesn't help. It looks like the qemu-kvm process corresponding to the compute VM is the problem. Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 00:19, Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro<mailto:laurentiu at soica.ro>> a scris: Hello, I have an OpenStack setup in virtual environment on CentOS 7. The baremetal has nested KVM enabled and 1 compute node as a VM. Inside the compute node I have multiple VMs running. After about every 3 days the VMs get inaccessible and the compute node reports high CPU usage. The qemu-kvm process for each VM inside the compute node reports full CPU usage. Please help me with some hints to debug this issue. Thanks, Laurentiu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20160814/e0b83536/attachment-0002.html>
Hello, 1. <domain type='kvm' id='6'> <name>baremetalbrbm_1</name> <uuid>534e9b54-5e4c-4acb-adcf-793f841551a7</uuid> <memory unit='KiB'>104857600</memory> <currentMemory unit='KiB'>104857600</currentMemory> <vcpu placement='static'>36</vcpu> <resource> <partition>/machine</partition> </resource> <os> <type arch='x86_64' machine='pc-i440fx-rhel7.0.0'>hvm</type> <boot dev='hd'/> <bootmenu enable='no'/> </os> <features> <acpi/> <apic/> <pae/> </features> <cpu mode='host-passthrough'/> <clock offset='utc'/> <on_poweroff>destroy</on_poweroff> <on_reboot>restart</on_reboot> <on_crash>restart</on_crash> <devices> <emulator>/usr/libexec/qemu-kvm</emulator> <disk type='file' device='disk'> <driver name='qemu' type='qcow2' cache='unsafe'/> <source file='/var/lib/libvirt/images/baremetalbrbm_1.qcow2'/> <backingStore/> <target dev='sda' bus='sata'/> <alias name='sata0-0-0'/> <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='0'/> </disk> <controller type='scsi' index='0' model='virtio-scsi'> <alias name='scsi0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x04' function='0x0'/> </controller> <controller type='usb' index='0'> <alias name='usb'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x01' function='0x2'/> </controller> <controller type='pci' index='0' model='pci-root'> <alias name='pci.0'/> </controller> <controller type='sata' index='0'> <alias name='sata0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x05' function='0x0'/> </controller> <interface type='bridge'> <mac address='00:f1:15:20:c5:46'/> <source network='brbm' bridge='brbm'/> <virtualport type='openvswitch'> <parameters interfaceid='654ad04f-fa0a-41dd-9d30-b84e702462fe'/> </virtualport> <target dev='vnet5'/> <model type='virtio'/> <alias name='net0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x03' function='0x0'/> </interface> <interface type='bridge'> <mac address='52:54:00:d3:c9:24'/> <source bridge='br57'/> <target dev='vnet6'/> <model type='rtl8139'/> <alias name='net1'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x07' function='0x0'/> </interface> <serial type='pty'> <source path='/dev/pts/3'/> <target port='0'/> <alias name='serial0'/> </serial> <console type='pty' tty='/dev/pts/3'> <source path='/dev/pts/3'/> <target type='serial' port='0'/> <alias name='serial0'/> </console> <input type='mouse' bus='ps2'/> <input type='keyboard' bus='ps2'/> <graphics type='vnc' port='5903' autoport='yes' listen='127.0.0.1'> <listen type='address' address='127.0.0.1'/> </graphics> <video> <model type='cirrus' vram='16384' heads='1'/> <alias name='video0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x02' function='0x0'/> </video> <memballoon model='virtio'> <alias name='balloon0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x06' function='0x0'/> </memballoon> </devices> </domain> 2. [root at overcloud-novacompute-0 ~]# lsmod | grep kvm kvm_intel 162153 70 kvm 525409 1 kvm_intel [root at overcloud-novacompute-0 ~]# cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type|grep -v '^#' virt_type=kvm [root at overcloud-novacompute-0 ~]# cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode|grep -v '^#' cpu_mode=host-passthrough Thanks, Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 21:44, Boris Derzhavets <bderzhavets at hotmail.com> a scris:> > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* centos-virt-bounces at centos.org <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> > on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:17 AM > *To:* Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS > *Subject:* Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue > > More details on the subject: > > I suppose it is a nested KVM issue because it raised after I enabled the > nested KVM feature. Without it, anyway, the second level VMs are unusable > in terms of performance. > > I am using CentOS 7 with: > > kernel: 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64 > qemu-kvm:1.5.3-105.el7_2.4 > libvirt:1.2.17-13.el7_2.5 > > on both the baremetal and the compute VM. > > *Please, post* > > 1) # virsh dumpxml VM-L1 ( where on L1 level you expect nested KVM to > appear) > 2) Login into VM-L1 and run :- > # lsmod | grep kvm > 3) I need outputs from VM-L1 ( in case it is Compute Node ) > > # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type > # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode > > Boris. > > > > > > The only workaround now is to shutdown the compute VM and start it back > from baremetal with virsh start. > A simple restart of the compute node doesn't help. It looks like the > qemu-kvm process corresponding to the compute VM is the problem. > > Laurentiu > > ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 00:19, Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> a > scris: > >> Hello, >> >> I have an OpenStack setup in virtual environment on CentOS 7. >> >> The baremetal has *nested KVM* enabled and 1 compute node as a VM. >> >> Inside the compute node I have multiple VMs running. >> >> After about every 3 days the VMs get inaccessible and the compute node >> reports high CPU usage. The qemu-kvm process for each VM inside the compute >> node reports full CPU usage. >> >> Please help me with some hints to debug this issue. >> >> Thanks, >> Laurentiu >> > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-virt mailing list > CentOS-virt at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reports posted look good for me. Config should provide the best available performance for cloud VM (L2) on Compute Node. 1. Please, remind me what goes wrong from your standpoint ? 2. Which CPU is installed on Compute Node && how much RAM ? Actually , my concern is :- Number_of_ Cloud_VMs versus Number_CPU_Cores ( not threads) Please, check `top` report in regards of swap area size. Thanks. Boris. ________________________________ From: centos-virt-bounces at centos.org <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:06 PM To: Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS Subject: Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue Hello, 1. <domain type='kvm' id='6'> <name>baremetalbrbm_1</name> <uuid>534e9b54-5e4c-4acb-adcf-793f841551a7</uuid> <memory unit='KiB'>104857600</memory> <currentMemory unit='KiB'>104857600</currentMemory> <vcpu placement='static'>36</vcpu> <resource> <partition>/machine</partition> </resource> <os> <type arch='x86_64' machine='pc-i440fx-rhel7.0.0'>hvm</type> <boot dev='hd'/> <bootmenu enable='no'/> </os> <features> <acpi/> <apic/> <pae/> </features> <cpu mode='host-passthrough'/> <clock offset='utc'/> <on_poweroff>destroy</on_poweroff> <on_reboot>restart</on_reboot> <on_crash>restart</on_crash> <devices> <emulator>/usr/libexec/qemu-kvm</emulator> <disk type='file' device='disk'> <driver name='qemu' type='qcow2' cache='unsafe'/> <source file='/var/lib/libvirt/images/baremetalbrbm_1.qcow2'/> <backingStore/> <target dev='sda' bus='sata'/> <alias name='sata0-0-0'/> <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='0'/> </disk> <controller type='scsi' index='0' model='virtio-scsi'> <alias name='scsi0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x04' function='0x0'/> </controller> <controller type='usb' index='0'> <alias name='usb'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x01' function='0x2'/> </controller> <controller type='pci' index='0' model='pci-root'> <alias name='pci.0'/> </controller> <controller type='sata' index='0'> <alias name='sata0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x05' function='0x0'/> </controller> <interface type='bridge'> <mac address='00:f1:15:20:c5:46'/> <source network='brbm' bridge='brbm'/> <virtualport type='openvswitch'> <parameters interfaceid='654ad04f-fa0a-41dd-9d30-b84e702462fe'/> </virtualport> <target dev='vnet5'/> <model type='virtio'/> <alias name='net0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x03' function='0x0'/> </interface> <interface type='bridge'> <mac address='52:54:00:d3:c9:24'/> <source bridge='br57'/> <target dev='vnet6'/> <model type='rtl8139'/> <alias name='net1'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x07' function='0x0'/> </interface> <serial type='pty'> <source path='/dev/pts/3'/> <target port='0'/> <alias name='serial0'/> </serial> <console type='pty' tty='/dev/pts/3'> <source path='/dev/pts/3'/> <target type='serial' port='0'/> <alias name='serial0'/> </console> <input type='mouse' bus='ps2'/> <input type='keyboard' bus='ps2'/> <graphics type='vnc' port='5903' autoport='yes' listen='127.0.0.1'> <listen type='address' address='127.0.0.1'/> </graphics> <video> <model type='cirrus' vram='16384' heads='1'/> <alias name='video0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x02' function='0x0'/> </video> <memballoon model='virtio'> <alias name='balloon0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x06' function='0x0'/> </memballoon> </devices> </domain> 2. [root at overcloud-novacompute-0 ~]# lsmod | grep kvm kvm_intel 162153 70 kvm 525409 1 kvm_intel [root at overcloud-novacompute-0 ~]# cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type|grep -v '^#' virt_type=kvm [root at overcloud-novacompute-0 ~]# cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode|grep -v '^#' cpu_mode=host-passthrough Thanks, Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 21:44, Boris Derzhavets <bderzhavets at hotmail.com<mailto:bderzhavets at hotmail.com>> a scris: ________________________________ From: centos-virt-bounces at centos.org<mailto:centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org<mailto:centos-virt-bounces at centos.org>> on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro<mailto:laurentiu at soica.ro>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:17 AM To: Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS Subject: Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue More details on the subject: I suppose it is a nested KVM issue because it raised after I enabled the nested KVM feature. Without it, anyway, the second level VMs are unusable in terms of performance. I am using CentOS 7 with: kernel: 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64 qemu-kvm:1.5.3-105.el7_2.4 libvirt:1.2.17-13.el7_2.5 on both the baremetal and the compute VM. Please, post 1) # virsh dumpxml VM-L1 ( where on L1 level you expect nested KVM to appear) 2) Login into VM-L1 and run :- # lsmod | grep kvm 3) I need outputs from VM-L1 ( in case it is Compute Node ) # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode Boris. The only workaround now is to shutdown the compute VM and start it back from baremetal with virsh start. A simple restart of the compute node doesn't help. It looks like the qemu-kvm process corresponding to the compute VM is the problem. Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 00:19, Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro<mailto:laurentiu at soica.ro>> a scris: Hello, I have an OpenStack setup in virtual environment on CentOS 7. The baremetal has nested KVM enabled and 1 compute node as a VM. Inside the compute node I have multiple VMs running. After about every 3 days the VMs get inaccessible and the compute node reports high CPU usage. The qemu-kvm process for each VM inside the compute node reports full CPU usage. Please help me with some hints to debug this issue. Thanks, Laurentiu _______________________________________________ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt at centos.org<mailto:CentOS-virt at centos.org> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20160814/63c50950/attachment-0002.html>
Hello, The issue reproduced again and it doesn't look like a swap problem. Some details: on the baremetal, from top: top - 08:08:52 up 5 days, 16:43, 3 users, load average: 36.19, 36.05, 36.05 Tasks: 493 total, 1 running, 492 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 3.5 us, 87.9 sy, 0.0 ni, 8.6 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st KiB Mem : 12357451+total, 14296000 free, 65634428 used, 43644088 buff/cache KiB Swap: 4194300 total, 4073868 free, 120432 used. 56953888 avail Mem 19158 qemu 20 0 0.098t 0.041t 10476 S 3650 35.6 13048:24 qemu-kvm The compute node has 36 CPUs and the usage is now 100%. There are more than 50 GB of memory still available on the baremetal. The swap is barely used, 120 MB. On compute node, from top: top - 05:11:58 up 1 day, 15:08, 2 users, load average: 40.46, 40.49, 40.74 %Cpu(s): 99.1 us, 0.7 sy, 0.0 ni, 0.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.1 st KiB Mem : 10296246+total, 78079936 free, 23671360 used, 1211160 buff/cache KiB Swap: 0 total, 0 free, 0 used. 78939968 avail Mem PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 6032 qemu 20 0 10.601g 1.272g 12964 S 400.0 1.3 588:40.39 qemu-kvm 5673 qemu 20 0 10.602g 1.006g 13020 S 399.7 1.0 1161:47 qemu-kvm 5998 qemu 20 0 10.601g 1.192g 13028 S 367.9 1.2 1544:30 qemu-kvm 5951 qemu 20 0 10.601g 1.246g 13020 S 348.3 1.3 1547:38 qemu-kvm 5750 qemu 20 0 10.599g 990136 13060 S 339.1 1.0 1152:25 qemu-kvm 5752 qemu 20 0 10.598g 1.426g 13040 S 313.9 1.5 663:13.65 qemu-kvm .... There are more than 70 GB of memory available on the compute node. All VMs are using 100% their CPUs and they are not accessible anymore. Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 21:44, Boris Derzhavets <bderzhavets at hotmail.com> a scris:> > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* centos-virt-bounces at centos.org <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> > on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:17 AM > *To:* Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS > *Subject:* Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue > > More details on the subject: > > I suppose it is a nested KVM issue because it raised after I enabled the > nested KVM feature. Without it, anyway, the second level VMs are unusable > in terms of performance. > > I am using CentOS 7 with: > > kernel: 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64 > qemu-kvm:1.5.3-105.el7_2.4 > libvirt:1.2.17-13.el7_2.5 > > on both the baremetal and the compute VM. > > *Please, post* > > 1) # virsh dumpxml VM-L1 ( where on L1 level you expect nested KVM to > appear) > 2) Login into VM-L1 and run :- > # lsmod | grep kvm > 3) I need outputs from VM-L1 ( in case it is Compute Node ) > > # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type > # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode > > Boris. > > > > > > The only workaround now is to shutdown the compute VM and start it back > from baremetal with virsh start. > A simple restart of the compute node doesn't help. It looks like the > qemu-kvm process corresponding to the compute VM is the problem. > > Laurentiu > > ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 00:19, Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> a > scris: > >> Hello, >> >> I have an OpenStack setup in virtual environment on CentOS 7. >> >> The baremetal has *nested KVM* enabled and 1 compute node as a VM. >> >> Inside the compute node I have multiple VMs running. >> >> After about every 3 days the VMs get inaccessible and the compute node >> reports high CPU usage. The qemu-kvm process for each VM inside the compute >> node reports full CPU usage. >> >> Please help me with some hints to debug this issue. >> >> Thanks, >> Laurentiu >> > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-virt mailing list > CentOS-virt at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20160816/24998b4b/attachment-0002.html>
Sorry, How you trigger the problem ? B. ________________________________ From: centos-virt-bounces at centos.org <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:28 AM To: Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS Subject: Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue Hello, The issue reproduced again and it doesn't look like a swap problem. Some details: on the baremetal, from top: top - 08:08:52 up 5 days, 16:43, 3 users, load average: 36.19, 36.05, 36.05 Tasks: 493 total, 1 running, 492 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 3.5 us, 87.9 sy, 0.0 ni, 8.6 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st KiB Mem : 12357451+total, 14296000 free, 65634428 used, 43644088 buff/cache KiB Swap: 4194300 total, 4073868 free, 120432 used. 56953888 avail Mem 19158 qemu 20 0 0.098t 0.041t 10476 S 3650 35.6 13048:24 qemu-kvm The compute node has 36 CPUs and the usage is now 100%. There are more than 50 GB of memory still available on the baremetal. The swap is barely used, 120 MB. On compute node, from top: top - 05:11:58 up 1 day, 15:08, 2 users, load average: 40.46, 40.49, 40.74 %Cpu(s): 99.1 us, 0.7 sy, 0.0 ni, 0.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.1 st KiB Mem : 10296246+total, 78079936 free, 23671360 used, 1211160 buff/cache KiB Swap: 0 total, 0 free, 0 used. 78939968 avail Mem PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 6032 qemu 20 0 10.601g 1.272g 12964 S 400.0 1.3 588:40.39 qemu-kvm 5673 qemu 20 0 10.602g 1.006g 13020 S 399.7 1.0 1161:47 qemu-kvm 5998 qemu 20 0 10.601g 1.192g 13028 S 367.9 1.2 1544:30 qemu-kvm 5951 qemu 20 0 10.601g 1.246g 13020 S 348.3 1.3 1547:38 qemu-kvm 5750 qemu 20 0 10.599g 990136 13060 S 339.1 1.0 1152:25 qemu-kvm 5752 qemu 20 0 10.598g 1.426g 13040 S 313.9 1.5 663:13.65 qemu-kvm .... There are more than 70 GB of memory available on the compute node. All VMs are using 100% their CPUs and they are not accessible anymore. Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 21:44, Boris Derzhavets <bderzhavets at hotmail.com<mailto:bderzhavets at hotmail.com>> a scris: ________________________________ From: centos-virt-bounces at centos.org<mailto:centos-virt-bounces at centos.org> <centos-virt-bounces at centos.org<mailto:centos-virt-bounces at centos.org>> on behalf of Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro<mailto:laurentiu at soica.ro>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:17 AM To: Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS Subject: Re: [CentOS-virt] Nested KVM issue More details on the subject: I suppose it is a nested KVM issue because it raised after I enabled the nested KVM feature. Without it, anyway, the second level VMs are unusable in terms of performance. I am using CentOS 7 with: kernel: 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64 qemu-kvm:1.5.3-105.el7_2.4 libvirt:1.2.17-13.el7_2.5 on both the baremetal and the compute VM. Please, post 1) # virsh dumpxml VM-L1 ( where on L1 level you expect nested KVM to appear) 2) Login into VM-L1 and run :- # lsmod | grep kvm 3) I need outputs from VM-L1 ( in case it is Compute Node ) # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep virt_type # cat /etc/nova/nova.conf | grep cpu_mode Boris. The only workaround now is to shutdown the compute VM and start it back from baremetal with virsh start. A simple restart of the compute node doesn't help. It looks like the qemu-kvm process corresponding to the compute VM is the problem. Laurentiu ?n dum., 14 aug. 2016 la 00:19, Laurentiu Soica <laurentiu at soica.ro<mailto:laurentiu at soica.ro>> a scris: Hello, I have an OpenStack setup in virtual environment on CentOS 7. The baremetal has nested KVM enabled and 1 compute node as a VM. Inside the compute node I have multiple VMs running. After about every 3 days the VMs get inaccessible and the compute node reports high CPU usage. The qemu-kvm process for each VM inside the compute node reports full CPU usage. Please help me with some hints to debug this issue. Thanks, Laurentiu _______________________________________________ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt at centos.org<mailto:CentOS-virt at centos.org> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20160816/b50de9f5/attachment-0002.html>