Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-Nov-21 15:47 UTC
[Nouveau] [PATCH v4] pci: prevent putting nvidia GPUs into lower device states on certain intel bridges
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:53 PM Karol Herbst <kherbst at redhat.com> wrote:> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Mika Westerberg > <mika.westerberg at intel.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:34:22PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:28 PM Mika Westerberg > > > <mika.westerberg at intel.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:29:33PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > > last week or so I found systems where the GPU was under the "PCI > > > > > > Express Root Port" (name from lspci) and on those systems all of that > > > > > > seems to work. So I am wondering if it's indeed just the 0x1901 one, > > > > > > which also explains Mikas case that Thunderbolt stuff works as devices > > > > > > never get populated under this particular bridge controller, but under > > > > > > those "Root Port"s > > > > > > > > > > It always is a PCIe port, but its location within the SoC may matter. > > > > > > > > Exactly. Intel hardware has PCIe ports on CPU side (these are called > > > > PEG, PCI Express Graphics, ports), and the PCH side. I think the IP is > > > > still the same. > > > > > > yeah, I meant the bridge controller with the ID 0x1901 is on the CPU > side. And if the Nvidia GPU is on a port on the PCH side it all seems > to work just fine.But that may involve different AML too, may it not?> > > > > Also some custom AML-based power management is involved and that may > > > > > be making specific assumptions on the configuration of the SoC and the > > > > > GPU at the time of its invocation which unfortunately are not known to > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > However, it looks like the AML invoked to power down the GPU from > > > > > acpi_pci_set_power_state() gets confused if it is not in PCI D0 at > > > > > that point, so it looks like that AML tries to access device memory on > > > > > the GPU (beyond the PCI config space) or similar which is not > > > > > accessible in PCI power states below D0. > > > > > > > > Or the PCI config space of the GPU when the parent root port is in D3hot > > > > (as it is the case here). Also then the GPU config space is not > > > > accessible. > > > > > > Why would the parent port be in D3hot at that point? Wouldn't that be > > > a suspend ordering violation? > > > > No. We put the GPU into D3hot first, then the root port and then turn > > off the power resource (which is attached to the root port) resulting > > the topology entering D3cold. > > > > If the kernel does a D0 -> D3hot -> D0 cycle this works as well, but > the power savings are way lower, so I kind of prefer skipping D3hot > instead of D3cold. Skipping D3hot doesn't seem to make any difference > in power savings in my testing.OK What exactly did you do to skip D3cold in your testing?
Karol Herbst
2019-Nov-21 16:06 UTC
[Nouveau] [PATCH v4] pci: prevent putting nvidia GPUs into lower device states on certain intel bridges
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:47 PM Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael at kernel.org> wrote:> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:53 PM Karol Herbst <kherbst at redhat.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Mika Westerberg > > <mika.westerberg at intel.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:34:22PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:28 PM Mika Westerberg > > > > <mika.westerberg at intel.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:29:33PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > > > last week or so I found systems where the GPU was under the "PCI > > > > > > > Express Root Port" (name from lspci) and on those systems all of that > > > > > > > seems to work. So I am wondering if it's indeed just the 0x1901 one, > > > > > > > which also explains Mikas case that Thunderbolt stuff works as devices > > > > > > > never get populated under this particular bridge controller, but under > > > > > > > those "Root Port"s > > > > > > > > > > > > It always is a PCIe port, but its location within the SoC may matter. > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. Intel hardware has PCIe ports on CPU side (these are called > > > > > PEG, PCI Express Graphics, ports), and the PCH side. I think the IP is > > > > > still the same. > > > > > > > > > yeah, I meant the bridge controller with the ID 0x1901 is on the CPU > > side. And if the Nvidia GPU is on a port on the PCH side it all seems > > to work just fine. > > But that may involve different AML too, may it not? > > > > > > > Also some custom AML-based power management is involved and that may > > > > > > be making specific assumptions on the configuration of the SoC and the > > > > > > GPU at the time of its invocation which unfortunately are not known to > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it looks like the AML invoked to power down the GPU from > > > > > > acpi_pci_set_power_state() gets confused if it is not in PCI D0 at > > > > > > that point, so it looks like that AML tries to access device memory on > > > > > > the GPU (beyond the PCI config space) or similar which is not > > > > > > accessible in PCI power states below D0. > > > > > > > > > > Or the PCI config space of the GPU when the parent root port is in D3hot > > > > > (as it is the case here). Also then the GPU config space is not > > > > > accessible. > > > > > > > > Why would the parent port be in D3hot at that point? Wouldn't that be > > > > a suspend ordering violation? > > > > > > No. We put the GPU into D3hot first, then the root port and then turn > > > off the power resource (which is attached to the root port) resulting > > > the topology entering D3cold. > > > > > > > If the kernel does a D0 -> D3hot -> D0 cycle this works as well, but > > the power savings are way lower, so I kind of prefer skipping D3hot > > instead of D3cold. Skipping D3hot doesn't seem to make any difference > > in power savings in my testing. > > OK > > What exactly did you do to skip D3cold in your testing? >For that I poked into the PCI registers directly and skipped doing the ACPI calls and simply checked for the idle power consumption on my laptop. But I guess I should retest with calling pci_d3cold_disable from nouveau instead? Or is there a different preferable way of testing this?
Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-Nov-21 16:39 UTC
[Nouveau] [PATCH v4] pci: prevent putting nvidia GPUs into lower device states on certain intel bridges
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 5:06 PM Karol Herbst <kherbst at redhat.com> wrote:> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:47 PM Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael at kernel.org> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:53 PM Karol Herbst <kherbst at redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Mika Westerberg > > > <mika.westerberg at intel.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:34:22PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:28 PM Mika Westerberg > > > > > <mika.westerberg at intel.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:29:33PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > > > > last week or so I found systems where the GPU was under the "PCI > > > > > > > > Express Root Port" (name from lspci) and on those systems all of that > > > > > > > > seems to work. So I am wondering if it's indeed just the 0x1901 one, > > > > > > > > which also explains Mikas case that Thunderbolt stuff works as devices > > > > > > > > never get populated under this particular bridge controller, but under > > > > > > > > those "Root Port"s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It always is a PCIe port, but its location within the SoC may matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. Intel hardware has PCIe ports on CPU side (these are called > > > > > > PEG, PCI Express Graphics, ports), and the PCH side. I think the IP is > > > > > > still the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, I meant the bridge controller with the ID 0x1901 is on the CPU > > > side. And if the Nvidia GPU is on a port on the PCH side it all seems > > > to work just fine. > > > > But that may involve different AML too, may it not? > > > > > > > > > Also some custom AML-based power management is involved and that may > > > > > > > be making specific assumptions on the configuration of the SoC and the > > > > > > > GPU at the time of its invocation which unfortunately are not known to > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it looks like the AML invoked to power down the GPU from > > > > > > > acpi_pci_set_power_state() gets confused if it is not in PCI D0 at > > > > > > > that point, so it looks like that AML tries to access device memory on > > > > > > > the GPU (beyond the PCI config space) or similar which is not > > > > > > > accessible in PCI power states below D0. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or the PCI config space of the GPU when the parent root port is in D3hot > > > > > > (as it is the case here). Also then the GPU config space is not > > > > > > accessible. > > > > > > > > > > Why would the parent port be in D3hot at that point? Wouldn't that be > > > > > a suspend ordering violation? > > > > > > > > No. We put the GPU into D3hot first, then the root port and then turn > > > > off the power resource (which is attached to the root port) resulting > > > > the topology entering D3cold. > > > > > > > > > > If the kernel does a D0 -> D3hot -> D0 cycle this works as well, but > > > the power savings are way lower, so I kind of prefer skipping D3hot > > > instead of D3cold. Skipping D3hot doesn't seem to make any difference > > > in power savings in my testing. > > > > OK > > > > What exactly did you do to skip D3cold in your testing? > > > > For that I poked into the PCI registers directly and skipped doing the > ACPI calls and simply checked for the idle power consumption on my > laptop.That doesn't involve the PCIe port PM, however.> But I guess I should retest with calling pci_d3cold_disable > from nouveau instead? Or is there a different preferable way of > testing this?There is a sysfs attribute called "d3cold_allowed" which can be used for "blocking" D3cold, so can you please retest using that?
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