Hi, Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Goals ==== My goals for whichever solution we come up with are to be: 1) Flexible enough to differentiate between flags which affect a module as a whole and those which affect individual functions. 2) Quick to query for specific flags. 3) Easily extensible, preferably without changing the IR for each new flag. Proposed Solution ================ My solution to this is to use a mixture of module-level flags and named metadata. It gives us the flexibility asked for in (1), they are relatively quick to query (after being read in, the module flags could be placed into an efficient data structure), and can be extended by updating the LangRef.html doc. - Module-level flags would be used for those options which affect the whole module and which prevent two modules that do not have that flag set from being merged together. For example, `-msoft-float' changes the calling convention in the output file. Therefore, it's only useful if the whole program is compiled with it. It would be a module-level IR flag: !0 = metadata !{ i32 1, metadata !"-msoft-float", i1 true } !llvm.module.flags = !{ !0 } - Named metadata would be used for those options which affect code generation for the functions, but which doesn't prevent two modules from being merged together. For example, `-fomit-frame-pointer' applies to individual functions, but it doesn't prevent a module compiled with `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' from being merged with one compiled with `-fomit-frame-pointer'. We would use a named metadata flag: define void @foo () { ... } define double @bar(i32 %a) { ... } ; A list of the functions affected by `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' within the Module. !0 = metadata !{ void ()* @foo, double (i32)* @bar } !fno.omit.frame.pointer = !{ !0 } And so on. The second part of the solution (using named metadata) could be replaced by function attributes. However, I see a couple of problems with that. First, the number of flags could be quite large. We would soon run out of space in the Attributes structure, not to mention that printing the function becomes unwieldy.. Second, it's not very extensible. Adding a new flag requires changing the IR. While it's relatively easy to change the IR in this case, it is less desirable to me than simply adding a note in LangRef.html about the flag and its semantics. Code Generation ============== The part of the compiler most effected by this change will be the back-end. (The front-end already has mechanisms in place to handling merging metadata.) Several different flags are currently specified as function-level attributes, which is fine, and those need not change. But other flags, which are specified in an ad hoc manner, will need to change to be queried for by the back-end. This is good as it will consolidate these flags into one interface, but it will take some work to complete. Conclusion ========= LTO definitely needs this, or an equivalent, solution to the current problem. Without it, we cannot claim that LTO is "ready for prime-time." No part of this proposal is set in stone, and I'm open to modifications and other ideas. (Dons asbestos suit.) ;-) Share and enjoy! -bw
Rafael Espíndola
2012-Apr-30 00:39 UTC
[LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] [RFC] Encoding Compile Flags into the IR
On 29 April 2012 18:44, Bill Wendling <wendling at apple.com> wrote:> Hi, > > Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. > > Goals > ====> > My goals for whichever solution we come up with are to be: > > 1) Flexible enough to differentiate between flags which affect a module as a whole and those which affect individual functions. > 2) Quick to query for specific flags. > 3) Easily extensible, preferably without changing the IR for each new flag. > > Proposed Solution > ================> > My solution to this is to use a mixture of module-level flags and named metadata. It gives us the flexibility asked for in (1), they are relatively quick to query (after being read in, the module flags could be placed into an efficient data structure), and can be extended by updating the LangRef.html doc. > > - Module-level flags would be used for those options which affect the whole module and which prevent two modules that do not have that flag set from being merged together. For example, `-msoft-float' changes the calling convention in the output file. Therefore, it's only useful if the whole program is compiled with it. It would be a module-level IR flag: > > !0 = metadata !{ i32 1, metadata !"-msoft-float", i1 true } > !llvm.module.flags = !{ !0 }So the objective in here is to diagnose cases where the program would already be broken even without LTO, correct? If so I think this going on the right direction, I am just not sure if a 1:1 mapping with command line options is the best solution. These are basic "abi options".> - Named metadata would be used for those options which affect code generation for the functions, but which doesn't prevent two modules from being merged together. For example, `-fomit-frame-pointer' applies to individual functions, but it doesn't prevent a module compiled with `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' from being merged with one compiled with `-fomit-frame-pointer'. We would use a named metadata flag: > > define void @foo () { ... } > define double @bar(i32 %a) { ... } > > ; A list of the functions affected by `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' within the Module. > !0 = metadata !{ void ()* @foo, double (i32)* @bar } > !fno.omit.frame.pointer = !{ !0 } > > And so on.This part I am not so sure about. I fixed a similar problem for unwind tables by adding an attribute. It could be safely done with a metadata with the oposite meaning (nouwtable). The things I am uncomfortable with this part of the proposal are: * Why not use metadata attached directly to the functions? They are the closest thing to an easy to add attribute. * The recent discussion about metadata points out that it is not really safe to add information that only part of the compiler reasons about. Metadata adds the nice property that it is safe to drop, but that is it. Passes have to know about it, it should be documented in the language ref and the verifier should check it. I am afraid that this part of the proposal would again create a feeling that we have a magic bullet for passing semantic info from the FE to some passes. * As you mention, this is probably the tip of the iceberg. Maybe we should explore it a bit more with the tools we have before declaring them insufficient. Duncan is working on fp precision, you can probably add a no_frame_pointer metadata to functions and from there we will have a better idea of how things are going. Cheers, Rafael
Bill Wendling
2012-Apr-30 01:25 UTC
[LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] [RFC] Encoding Compile Flags into the IR
On Apr 29, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Rafael Espíndola wrote:> On 29 April 2012 18:44, Bill Wendling <wendling at apple.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. >> >> Goals >> ====>> >> My goals for whichever solution we come up with are to be: >> >> 1) Flexible enough to differentiate between flags which affect a module as a whole and those which affect individual functions. >> 2) Quick to query for specific flags. >> 3) Easily extensible, preferably without changing the IR for each new flag. >> >> Proposed Solution >> ================>> >> My solution to this is to use a mixture of module-level flags and named metadata. It gives us the flexibility asked for in (1), they are relatively quick to query (after being read in, the module flags could be placed into an efficient data structure), and can be extended by updating the LangRef.html doc. >> >> - Module-level flags would be used for those options which affect the whole module and which prevent two modules that do not have that flag set from being merged together. For example, `-msoft-float' changes the calling convention in the output file. Therefore, it's only useful if the whole program is compiled with it. It would be a module-level IR flag: >> >> !0 = metadata !{ i32 1, metadata !"-msoft-float", i1 true } >> !llvm.module.flags = !{ !0 } > > So the objective in here is to diagnose cases where the program would > already be broken even without LTO, correct? If so I think this going > on the right direction, I am just not sure if a 1:1 mapping with > command line options is the best solution. These are basic "abi > options". >Diagnosis is only one use of this proposal. The other, more important, use is to generate the correct code.>> - Named metadata would be used for those options which affect code generation for the functions, but which doesn't prevent two modules from being merged together. For example, `-fomit-frame-pointer' applies to individual functions, but it doesn't prevent a module compiled with `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' from being merged with one compiled with `-fomit-frame-pointer'. We would use a named metadata flag: >> >> define void @foo () { ... } >> define double @bar(i32 %a) { ... } >> >> ; A list of the functions affected by `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' within the Module. >> !0 = metadata !{ void ()* @foo, double (i32)* @bar } >> !fno.omit.frame.pointer = !{ !0 } >> >> And so on. > > This part I am not so sure about. I fixed a similar problem for unwind > tables by adding an attribute. It could be safely done with a metadata > with the oposite meaning (nouwtable). The things I am uncomfortable > with this part of the proposal are: > > * Why not use metadata attached directly to the functions? They are > the closest thing to an easy to add attribute. >Possible, but the problem with metadata is that it should be possible to remove them from the object and not affect the semantics of the program.> * The recent discussion about metadata points out that it is not > really safe to add information that only part of the compiler reasons > about. Metadata adds the nice property that it is safe to drop, but > that is it. Passes have to know about it, it should be documented in > the language ref and the verifier should check it. I am afraid that > this part of the proposal would again create a feeling that we have a > magic bullet for passing semantic info from the FE to some passes. >I'm not sure I understand your meaning here. The point of making this named metadata is that it cannot be stripped from the module via normal methods. And it's inevitable that we will need for passes to know about the metadata and modify their behavior accordingly. That's the whole point, of course. :) (They will, at least, be able to query the Module object for the information they care about. The Module is the one which knows about the metadata.)> * As you mention, this is probably the tip of the iceberg. Maybe we > should explore it a bit more with the tools we have before declaring > them insufficient. Duncan is working on fp precision, you can probably > add a no_frame_pointer metadata to functions and from there we will > have a better idea of how things are going. >I'd rather not start coding before we can agree on a concrete implementation. -bw
On 29 April 2012 23:44, Bill Wendling <wendling at apple.com> wrote:> Hi, > > Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.Hi Bill, While it's true that knowing compiler flags will help you with linking problems (including optimisations), I don't think they're 1:1 with link issues, nor I think storing all compilation options on all modules every time is a fair price to pay for something that specific. You have a goal to correct link-time optimisations, or as we discussed earlier in the fp-math thread, even code generation could be broken without the knowledge of the user's intent. That can be accomplished now by putting "-msoft-float" as a global metadata, yes, but does that fit a general solution for the general problem? I literally don't know. What you need to do, if your intent to create a long-lasting framework - not just a quick fix for the LTO, is to analyse the biggest problems and the information you need. If you have problems in multiple domains (I'm guessing fp is not the only one), and could get information from multiple sources (again, guessing compile options is not the only one), then your solution is lacking. I'm guessing linker scripts could have a lot to say about link-time issues, as well as environment, ABI, chipset, ISA and so on. If you put all compiler flags in metadata now, we'll end up putting all options of all sources in global metadata, and well, that's far from desirable. I propose a more general scheme of global metadata, similar to yours (one global for each big problem, multiple options inside for each user intent), but generated from cherry-picked sources and put into specific global metadata baskets (duplication could occur, if the semantics is different). So each further step reads its own basket (LTO reads @llvm.metadata.lto {...}) and so on. Of course LTO could read other baskets, but it'll have to be for a precise reason, with a precise meaning. While merging modules (inlining included) with different metadata, you have to have a specific well defined merge rule, with warnings and errors in case they mismatch. We were discussing the merge semantics for fp models earlier, that kind of analysis should happen for every new flag you put in. Though you have to take my proposal with a pinch of salt, because that's remarkably similar to ARM's build attributes, and I'm not sure that's the best idea either. There is probably a smarter way of doing this, I just didn't think hard enough to find it... ;) But either way, you will need some sort of guidelines on how passes should treat metadata with stronger guarantees than today, or your LTO will still not see the info it needs... -- cheers, --renato http://systemcall.org/
David Chisnall
2012-Apr-30 09:41 UTC
[LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] [RFC] Encoding Compile Flags into the IR
On 29 Apr 2012, at 23:44, Bill Wendling wrote:> - Module-level flags would be used for those options which affect the whole module and which prevent two modules that do not have that flag set from being merged together. For example, `-msoft-float' changes the calling convention in the output file. Therefore, it's only useful if the whole program is compiled with it. It would be a module-level IR flag:It seems that the correct solution for this would be to make the softfloat and hardfloat calling conventions into... calling conventions. This would require sinking some logic for defining calling conventions down into LLVM, rather than requiring every single front end to duplicate the same logic, but reduced code duplication might just be a price worth paying for making writing front ends and optimisation passes easier... David
Renato Golin
2012-Apr-30 09:50 UTC
[LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] [RFC] Encoding Compile Flags into the IR
On 30 April 2012 10:41, David Chisnall <csdavec at swan.ac.uk> wrote:> It seems that the correct solution for this would be to make the softfloat and hardfloat calling conventions into... calling conventions. This would require sinking some logic for defining calling conventions down into LLVM, rather than requiring every single front end to duplicate the same logic, but reduced code duplication might just be a price worth paying for making writing front ends and optimisation passes easier...There is already a function attribute for soft/hard float (in ARM is AAPCS_VFP), which is generally (or should be) produced when the compiler specifies hard-float. -- cheers, --renato http://systemcall.org/
Bill Wendling <wendling at apple.com> writes:> Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the > flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of > the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with > `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's > only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.This is an important missing feature.> - Named metadata would be used for those options which affect code > generation for the functions, but which doesn't prevent two modules > from being merged together. For example, `-fomit-frame-pointer' > applies to individual functions, but it doesn't prevent a module > compiled with `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' from being merged with one > compiled with `-fomit-frame-pointer'. We would use a named metadata > flag:Doesn't this violate the "no semantics" requirement of metadata? What happens if the metadata gets dropped? -Dave
On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Renato Golin wrote:> On 29 April 2012 23:44, Bill Wendling <wendling at apple.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. > > Hi Bill, > > While it's true that knowing compiler flags will help you with linking > problems (including optimisations), I don't think they're 1:1 with > link issues, nor I think storing all compilation options on all > modules every time is a fair price to pay for something that specific. > > You have a goal to correct link-time optimisations, or as we discussed > earlier in the fp-math thread, even code generation could be broken > without the knowledge of the user's intent. That can be accomplished > now by putting "-msoft-float" as a global metadata, yes, but does that > fit a general solution for the general problem? I literally don't > know. >I'm not familiar with the fp-math thread. Could you summarize it for me?> What you need to do, if your intent to create a long-lasting framework > - not just a quick fix for the LTO, is to analyse the biggest problems > and the information you need. If you have problems in multiple domains > (I'm guessing fp is not the only one), and could get information from > multiple sources (again, guessing compile options is not the only > one), then your solution is lacking. >Nothing about the proposal is meant to be a quick fix. The process of adding new flags that we care about would be a formal process, just not one that modifies the IR every time. (Yes, I'm fixated on that one aspect of it. I find it too heavyweight for the problem at hand.)> I'm guessing linker scripts could have a lot to say about link-time > issues, as well as environment, ABI, chipset, ISA and so on. If you > put all compiler flags in metadata now, we'll end up putting all > options of all sources in global metadata, and well, that's far from > desirable. >The information is important for correct code generation and linking. I need alternatives to putting it in metadata. :)> I propose a more general scheme of global metadata, similar to yours > (one global for each big problem, multiple options inside for each > user intent), but generated from cherry-picked sources and put into > specific global metadata baskets (duplication could occur, if the > semantics is different). So each further step reads its own basket > (LTO reads @llvm.metadata.lto {...}) and so on. Of course LTO could > read other baskets, but it'll have to be for a precise reason, with a > precise meaning. > > While merging modules (inlining included) with different metadata, you > have to have a specific well defined merge rule, with warnings and > errors in case they mismatch. We were discussing the merge semantics > for fp models earlier, that kind of analysis should happen for every > new flag you put in. >Yup! The module-level flags has these abilities. :-)> Though you have to take my proposal with a pinch of salt, because > that's remarkably similar to ARM's build attributes, and I'm not sure > that's the best idea either. There is probably a smarter way of doing > this, I just didn't think hard enough to find it... ;) > > But either way, you will need some sort of guidelines on how passes > should treat metadata with stronger guarantees than today, or your LTO > will still not see the info it needs... >Could you give an example of how yours would look like in a sample Module? -bw
On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:00 PM, dag at cray.com wrote:> Bill Wendling <wendling at apple.com> writes: > >> Link-Time Optimization has a problem. We need to preserve some of the >> flags with which the modules were compiled so that the semantics of >> the resulting program are correct. For example, a module compiled with >> `-msoft-float' should use library calls for floating point. And that's >> only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. > > This is an important missing feature. > >> - Named metadata would be used for those options which affect code >> generation for the functions, but which doesn't prevent two modules >> from being merged together. For example, `-fomit-frame-pointer' >> applies to individual functions, but it doesn't prevent a module >> compiled with `-fno-omit-frame-pointer' from being merged with one >> compiled with `-fomit-frame-pointer'. We would use a named metadata >> flag: > > Doesn't this violate the "no semantics" requirement of metadata? What > happens if the metadata gets dropped? >Named metadata cannot be stripped by normal methods. -bw
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